Boxer needs a docked tail!!!

kaya

anybody here fancy offering up there new born child so i can chop off the lower section of there spine for them?, honestly it's all right, wouldn't be cruel or hurt a bit

Mrs_pbradley936

pboae wrote: »

Not at all, flashy coats are extremely fashionable at the moment, and interbreeding 2 flashy parents dramatically increases the chance of a white litter. Often pups are euthanised because breeders don't want it to be known that they have non-breed standard coats in their lines, rather than because the pups are actually deaf.

Rough/long coated Rotties suffer the same fate even though there are no health defects that specifically co-occur with it.

Well I am not an expert on dogs but I can read and the white coat is due to a gene which both parents must carry BUT only 25% of any such matings would be white and that would be if you were trying your hardest to get white. Presumably this breeder did not want white puppies or else why cull them? I think dog breeders do enough dreadful things anyway – we do not need to exaggerate their deeds.

Mrs_pbradley936

Some information about white Boxers here:
http://www.boxerforums.com/modules.phpname=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3687

I do no doubt that the happen, I do not doubt that they can have health issues, what I do doubt is that an expert in the topic would deliberately mate together two animals and get a white litter when white is not wanted, sought after nor worth any money.

terrierlady

we had a small litter of Jack Russell normally seen with docked tails however this litter of 3 pups all born without tails for some reason!

pboae

It's not that simple, the boxer coat has additional gene modifiers as well as the primary gene. So a flashy boxer is S sw, breed 2 together and (statistically) you will get 25% solid coat S S, 25% ultra flashy (i.e. white) sw sw and 50% flashy S sw. The extent to which the flashy gene will be expressed is not so easily predicted.

The breed standard specifies how much white the coat can have (I believe it is 1/3rd, but I am not sure). So if the flashy gene is strongly expressed the S sw pups can still have predominantly white coats, even though they are not techinically white pups.

You would expect that in a litter of 5 at least 1 would be a solid coat, but genetics isn't always that neat. Plus if the b!tch needed a C-section not all the pups may have survived to that stage.

Breeding flashy to flashy it extremely common. It is less common, but by no means unknown for breeders to mate flashy with white, to try to increase the expression of the flashy gene in the non-white pups. Even though 3/4 of the litter will be white, and likely culled. Because the remaining 1/4 of the litter will be flashy, and hopefully with a stronger expression, which will then be passed on to future pups.

EDIT: could you check the link please, it doesn't work for me.

Mrs_pbradley936

Sorry about the link - it will not work for me now either. I just Googled "White Boxers" and came across a forum giving lots of information.

Mrs_pbradley936

Try this http://www.boxerforums.com/
scroll down to a little bit about white Boxers, then click "read more" and you should get to the page. If not Google white boxers and take your pick!

Mrs_pbradley936

The neighbour of a friend of mine used to breed Great Danes and a certain coat pattern called Harlequin was aimed for but often she would get what she termed “Bostons”. They were all black and white to me but I suppose if these things are important to you…….. you cannot have much else to worry about!

MORPH3US

Tan007 wrote: »

Thanks for all your kind replies. looks like I will have to get one with a tail then, my husband is sharpenning the meat cleaver as I type!! Get real, dogs have been docked for hundreds of years.

YOU ARE A MORON!!! :mad::mad::mad:

(I don't normally resort to immature petty name calling posts like this, but I thought i'd post in terminology you'd understand!)

pboae

I'll be the first to admit that the reasons why one coat is desirable and a variant on it is a fault, tend to go over my head. Although I do see the logic in trying to avoid specific colourings *if* they have a co-occurring health issue.

Having said that, I've been reading up on it this evening, and most of the boxer sites report bilateral deafness occurs in 10%-20% of white pups. The way it is talked about, I would have expected the number to be much higher. But I didn't find a reliable research source for it, so I don't know if those figures are correct.

If they are though, then it's certainly frequent enough to try to avoid breeding that colouring, but to me, it's not nearly frequent enough to justify euthanising an entire untested litter. (Not that being deaf is a good reason to PTS anyway, but if it is really only 10%-20% I don't see how it could be argued for at all.)