Boxer needs a docked tail!!!

Soubrette

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

Some procedures and some animals are treated differently under the law.
Some procedures are labelled “animal husbandry” and others “veterinary surgery”
Some animals are labelled as “livestock” and others as “domestic pets” I think there is another category for wild animals for zoos, wildlife parks etc.

That means that farmers can castrate animals, apply ear tags, nose rings, buy medicine in special shops, slaughter animals, farriers can shoe horses and so on all without reference to a vet if it is a routine matter. Farmers often get upset because they can treat many animals but if for instance they have a sheep dog then really they should take it to a vet because it is not livestock. So they would get a bill for something that they think they could have dealt with themselves.

To answer your question about being able to perform veterinary surgery on a domestic pet then no you would not be able to unless you had a licence. That is what I was originally curious about i.e some things being fine and others not depending on who you asked rather than what was law. However the law has changed although it is confusing to say the least. Far better to have something legal or illegal that way every knows where they are.

I am sorry but you misunderstand me again. I am asking if it is morally ok to amend an animals physical appearance purely for aesthetic reasons and how far would a person agree that it was ok not whether it is physically or legally possible for a person to do so.

I am not really interested in the legal aspect.

Sou

Mrs_pbradley936

Soubrette wrote: »

I am sorry but you misunderstand me again. I am asking if it is morally ok to amend an animals physical appearance purely for aesthetic reasons and how far would a person agree that it was ok not whether it is physically or legally possible for a person to do so.

I am not really interested in the legal aspect.

Sou

It is the legal aspect that will put pay to abuses as some people see them. Those abuses mght be fox hunting or docking (very recent) or Bull and bear baiting, dog fighting, bird fighting (it will not let me use the word for a boy bird) and anything else. Just having an attitude of “I think it is dreadful, so you should not do it” is never going to get you anywhere.

I wish they would ban factory farming but wishing will not make it happen. Campaigning for more room and better conditions will BUT in other countries they will still do it and guess what? Their meat and eggs will be cheaper in Tesco.

Soubrette

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

It is the legal aspect that will put pay to abuses as some people see them. Those abuses mght be fox hunting or docking (very recent) or Bull and bear baiting, dog fighting, bird fighting (it will not let me use the word for a boy bird) and anything else. Just having an attitude of “I think it is dreadful, so you should not do it” is never going to get you anywhere.

I wish they would ban factory farming but wishing will not make it happen. Campaigning for more room and better conditions will BUT in other countries they will still do it and guess what? Their meat and eggs will be cheaper in Tesco.

I don't 100% agree with you about the I think it's dreadful attitude as I do think that someone reading this thread might have their mind changed, same as if you started a thread on factory farming. I do agree that there are more effective means of campaigning though.

Docking isn't one of my hobby horses though (and I have a few ). It just caught my eye and left me wondering why people see fit to do something that's a little bit risky and painful for no benefit but aesthetics - I like to discuss things and challenge my own and others points of views.

It also slightly pains me when people are arguing past each other - so each has a slightly different stance to the one the other perceives and so there is no real meeting of minds.

Sou

allycat999

quidsin wrote: »

I've seen tails been docked, and the puppies didn't even know they'd been done, removal of dew claws is more painfull and electric shock collars are still leagal !!!! why haven't these been banned under the Animal Wellfare Act???

Hated doing both docking tails and dew claws as the squealing sound from the puppies was truly horrible. In my experience they were both painful.
Though nothing beats the day we did a caesar on a boxer !!!!! and saved 5 beautiful puppies only for the breeder to demand that we put them down as they were white!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

tiamai_d

allycat999 wrote: »

Hated doing both docking tails and dew claws as the squealing sound from the puppies was truly horrible. In my experience they were both painful.
Though nothing beats the day we did a caesar on a boxer !!!!! and saved 5 beautiful puppies only for the breeder to demand that we put them down as they were white!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Jeezus.... That is sickening....

ageandjo

allycat999 wrote: »

Hated doing both docking tails and dew claws as Though nothing beats the day we did a caesar on a boxer !!!!! and saved 5 beautiful puppies only for the breeder to demand that we put them down as they were white!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

We have a white boxer and she is the best thing since sliced bread :j she isnt deaf or blind she is just the most wonderful dog I have ever had, (she is naughty but it makes her character) :T :T :T

KIRSYJ

:mad: how could anyone mutilate an animal like that - simply shocking - turns my stomach.

quidsin

KIRSYJ wrote: »

:mad: how could anyone mutilate an animal like that - simply shocking - turns my stomach.

Well Kirsyj would it turn your stomach seeing a dog with an injured tail??? thats the counter arguement, its worse docking an older dog with an injured tail than it is a 3 day old puppy!!!!

TheShrew

hello all.
I'm just replying to be awkward really as I don't agree with tail docking at all.
But I've thought about this argument a lot in the past and I still haven't completely come to terms with it myself. So I'm throwing my thoughts into the mix to see what comes out!
If tail docking, i.e. putting a pet through an unnecessary surgical procedure for cosmetic reasons, is wrong; then why is it acceptable to remove warts or take off fatty lumps/lipomas(assuming they're not causing trouble by their position and rubbing etc) when they are benign and we just don't like the look of them?
I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks about that,
Thanks!
Sx

1sue23

My springers have never had any trouble with ears and one of them is now 12 his tail is not docked and looks great ,the younger springer 15 months has a docked tail but was bred by a gamekeeper for work ,prefer longer tail, did have a retriever that had to have tail docked because of an injury while out in some woods when it got caught in brambles ,she looked awful without a tail.