Work or be homeless!

Riq

happinessfactory wrote: »

There is a reduction in the overall supply of housing when this housing is taken out of circulation.

Therefore other available housing becomes more expensive.

You need to read your Economics textbook;)

I wish my economics textbooks were that simple

red_devil

blue_monkey wrote: »

I think that the council make it easy for people not to be bothered to get a job. Because there is no problem in securing a property with deposits and claiming HB as well as giving benefits - there is no incentive for people to get back to work is there? They say 'I don't want to work for minimum wage' but it's a load of cobblers really, I have done some crap jobs in my time for minimum wage because I had to earn money if I wanted to live. While it is being dealt out on a silver platter then there is no incentive to go and earn it for yourself. Make them do community service or something, fix the roads, clear rivers, littler, grafitti, etc... for the council and then pick their 'benefit' up at the end of their 'shift' and then see how many are left unemployed!!

Personally I could not imagine my husband being under my feet 24/7 and if he did not want to get a job then I would as I could not imagine anything worse!! A weekend is bad enough with him under my feet and moaning let alone being long time unemployed. LOL!!

I also agree that they should stop selling off the council houses. Our neighbour had been a council tenant for years and the daughter gave her the money to buy the house and when the mother died she moved in as the house was left to her and daughter sold her place. She used to brag about it quite a lot, the mother was really ill and the daughter literally ripped the house apart around her mother doing it all up as she grew more and more ill each day. The only people living there are her and her husband so it was not like they 'needed' the space. They wanted it as it was cheap and could get it easily, and this is where the problem lies IMO!

why should unemployed people do community service thats for people who have done wrong isnt it? Why should you be punished if you cant find a job. ts not the way to try and help people into employment. Many unemployed people do voluntary work for charities anyway which saves the government alot of money.

Everyone knows there will never be full employment in this country its fact you have to live with it, companies are laying people off all the time, also remember that everyone pays taxes even unemployed people do. I find it quite worrying that you are saying unemployed people should clean the streets and looking down on them without thinking it through.

MissMoneypenny

Microstar wrote: »

There's over a million Polish people (plus numerous other Eastern Europeans) come into this country over the last couple of years and got jobs. They are not eligible for council help, but seem to manage to find somewhere to live.

They are eligible for council help if they arrive with a family and nowhere to live.

Running_Horse

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

They are eligible for council help if they arrive with a family and nowhere to live.

But most don't. Most come here to do the work we consider ourselves too precious to do, and they do it with a smile on their face.

I would rather a council house go to a hardworking Pole than our lazy underclass.

BTman

Retired_I.F.A. wrote: »

I just hope all of you !!!!!!!s that have jobs and are slagging off those who live in council homes get laid off tommorow.

6 months of nothing but queing up for jobs offering minimum wage or less will soon change your attitudes.

You're a retired IFA????

These scroungers should stop being a parasitic drain on society and get a job. I don't believe anybody has been "queuing for minimum wage for 6 months" and has not had an offer of work, just don't believe it...

Phirefly

red_devil wrote: »

Why should you be punished if you cant find a job.

I'm really trying to see this argument from all sides *curse my naturally fair-minded nature* but I just cannot get my head around how any able-bodied, physically and mentally healthy person who is not a carer cannot find a job in the UK today.

MissMoneypenny

Running_Horse wrote: »

But most don't.

I don't have the figures on that.

Running_Horse wrote: »

Most come here to do the work we consider ourselves too precious to do, and they do it with a smile on their face.

I would rather a council house go to a hardworking Pole than our lazy underclass.

We just had a polish guy delivering leaflets. Could hardly speak English, but was working hard.

The government has made it to easy for people to get money without working or by just doing a few hours a week and receiving a top up. The lazy will always take advantage of that. The systems needs to be changed - and quickly.

blue_monkey_2

red_devil wrote: »

why should unemployed people do community service thats for people who have done wrong isnt it? Why should you be punished if you cant find a job. ts not the way to try and help people into employment. Many unemployed people do voluntary work for charities anyway which saves the government alot of money.

Everyone knows there will never be full employment in this country its fact you have to live with it, companies are laying people off all the time, also remember that everyone pays taxes even unemployed people do. I find it quite worrying that you are saying unemployed people should clean the streets and looking down on them without thinking it through.

Does anyone do community service anymore? Not from the state of the areas in some of our county. Besides, they are not being 'punished' they are being given an incentive to get up each morning and do some work for the government - in return for the money they are paid.

I also beleive that there should be a 'cap' once you are on benefits if unemployed so if you go and have another child then you would need to return to work and pay for that child. If I had another child (apart from going insane) I would also need to get a bigger car, I can't afford that, I could not afford more birthday parties, xmas presents, birthday presents, clothes, school uniforms, so why should people on unemployment benefit be 'rewarded' for having more children.

I know a couple of the 'workshy' and they themselves say that they can't be bothered to go back to work as the won't be able to earn the same money. so where is the incentive to even start looking. My husband was on JSA for a month, all he had to do was fill in the forms of places he had looked for a job, he could well just apply for qualified technicians jobs and put the details down, there is no way he would ever get them but he could say he had applied and this was enough for the EA or whatever they are called now. He found another job by writing to people he wanted to work for who did not have jobs advertised. And he is still working for one of these companies now.

There are always temping jobs available so I cannot beleive people cannot get anything. No, there will never be full employment, I agree with you, but there is no incentive for SOME PEOPLE to do anything else than sit at home watching daytime TV because they DO NOT WANT TO AND DO NOT FEEL THEY HAVE TO as they get 'paid' for doing nothing.

Maybe doing some work in the community will lead them to discover they have new skills, can see what drugs do to the community, they get to meet new people, who knows, but maybe giving them something to do will encourage them to try and find something rather than it being given to them for free for years. And yes, I know people who live like this as well, I also know people on benefits who sell on eBay and make money but don't declare it as they know they won't get caught. They use the money they get through selling to buy stuff with as it does not go into their bank accounts and then people will never know.

I am not looking down on anyone at all, people need an incentive to get up in the morning and if they have been having a years worth of lie ins and 'earning' without working (someone I know has to earn 40k to match what they would get on benefits!!) then yes, if they have been unemployed for more than 6 months then maybe they should give something back to the community rather than just taking. If it was me then yes, I would be happy to do that, but as I have stated, I have taken low paid jobs to survive because I had no choice. I've packed elastic bands for a living, it is the most mind numbing job ever, my husband packed biscuits, you do what you have to do - IF you want to!!

blue_monkey_2

Just to add. My husband works in all different companies as a service engineer. I lose count of the times he comes home telling me (OK, moaning his backside of) as to how many companies employ *foreigners* who he cannot converse with. The flats around the corner were recently done up by the council and they people gutting them and putting the new bits in were all foreign workers, they came in got on with the job and did a days work. They were employed by the council - the government! My sister tried to speak to one about something that had been done the day before and they just looked at her blankly. I personally don't care who works here and don;t care where they come from, and from an employers point of view, if I can get away with paying the lowest wage to get the work done then why not. But if the council don't want to employ UK builders then you have to ask why not.

On another issue I don't think you can turn up from another country with your family and just get somewhere to live with the council I believe you have to be someone who is under the threat of persecution [sp] in your own country, not just a migrant worker. A migrant worker would be paying tax so would get tax credits and additional benefits such as Housing Benefits so could get somewhere to live on the private rental side and get benefits.

FairyElephant_2

OK - let's get radical & controversial here!

It's a fact that loads of teenage girls get pregnant pretty much just to get council flats (this is NOT an 'urban myth' - I know people who have done it years ago, and have recently heard it being discussed by a group of teenage girls on the bus!).

It's also a fact there are not enough babies available for adoption by all those who would wish to - most of whom have stable, loving homes waiting for said babies. There are lots of older kids wanting adoption - many of whom are the product of earlier mentioned teenage girls, who finally couldn't cope and had the kids taken away from them. People are less keen to adopt them as they often have more behavioral problems etc. than babies & younger kids. This I also know about from personal experiences and those of close friends.

….See where I am going here?....

So - how about - if an under 18 gets pregnant, she has three choices:
Don't have the child at all (not going to debate abortion here - too big a subject)
Show that she has a stable home & financial ability to bring up the child (whether with it's father, her parents, or on her own).
Or - Give up the child for adoption at birth.

Results - Less Council housing needed. Less children's homes/foster care needed
= Less of a drain on the poor old taxpayers! (and hopefully better brought-up & well-adjusted kids!)

Should I stand for Government or what?!?

FE
(Tongue almost-all-the-way in cheek!)