Work or be homeless!

Microstar_2

Retired_I.F.A. wrote: »

I just hope all of you !!!!!!!s that have jobs and are slagging off those who live in council homes get laid off tommorow.

6 months of nothing but queing up for jobs offering minimum wage or less will soon change your attitudes.

Too good for the minimum wage, are you? Mind you, if you really are a 'retired IFA' then I guess you've been living off the fat of the land for many years.

I have been made redundant several times in the past, and yes, I have queued for minumum wage jobs. I've worked in a hot workshop, covered in oil and overalls soaked with sweat for the minimum wage. But I've educated myself (gone to evening classes) worked 7 days a week and now own property, cars etc etc. There are council estate families with generations never having worked.
I would like to see barrack-type accommodation built on old MoD sites. These people could then be housed there 'en masse' and bussed out to do socially useful work (cleaning up the streets, parks etc). Once some sort of work ethic had been established then they could be coached into proper paying jobs, start to pay rent etc and move out into social housing. Its going to take something as radical as that to cure the disease.

MadSebW

Running_Horse wrote: »

That shows the difference between those who support this idea and those who are against. You want those in work to suffer. We want those without work to find it. What a disgusting attitude you have. If one million Poles can find work overnight, then why not our own unemployed?

I got made redundant, and went out and found a better job. Best thing that ever happened to me. In the meantime I did low paid retail work and didn't claim a penny from the state.

Meanwhile members of my distant family have been whining for years "there's nothing out there". They might think it clever to have been given free housing and money, until her daughter did exactly the same and ended up on her own with a baby on an estate where someone was recently murdered.

The trouble is the something for nothing attitude passes down through the generations, but like all such initiatives and tough talking, in reality nothing will change, and another welfare generation will be lost. What a waste.

:T Could not have said that better myself

Natz

Retired_I.F.A. wrote: »

I just hope all of you !!!!!!!s that have jobs and are slagging off those who live in council homes get laid off tommorow.

6 months of nothing but queing up for jobs offering minimum wage or less will soon change your attitudes.

Many people have lined up for minium wage jobs. I left home at 17, worked night shifts for years whilst raising a young family. My OH has never been out of work, depiste poor wages in the beginning. It's hard, it's tiring, but also very rewarding. We rented our flat, paid for ourselves.

Now in my early 30's I work from home, my OH work ethic has meant better jobs, and better wages. We still don't own our own home, house prices have beaten our savings so far, but we are getting there.
It's a long haul, most people on benefits I know, look around and see what everyone else has, and want the same given to them, what they don't see is the long hard determination that has gone on behind getting these things.

Do I regret the tough years...no. I appreciate everything I now have much much more. And so will you.:beer:

trudiha

I disagree. I think that it's only the jobless/disabled/disadvantaged who should be given subsidised housing. The idea of giving a tax break, which is what subsidised housing amounts to, to one lot of people in full time employment and not giving it to another is discriminatory.

If family 'A' had children before they could afford to properly house them and family 'B' waited until they were in a better position would anyone be happy if family 'A' were given extra tax credits for their lack of foresight?

SquatNow

Microstar wrote: »

I would like to see barrack-type accommodation built on old MoD sites. These people could then be housed there 'en masse' and bussed out to do socially useful work (cleaning up the streets, parks etc). Once some sort of work ethic had been established then they could be coached into proper paying jobs, start to pay rent etc and move out into social housing.

This is basically what I was saying would happen, but it wont be as pleasent as he's making out.

My point on the OP wasn't that the governments proposals WOULD happen... it was to draw attention to the change in sentiment.

Ideas like that above would have been unthinkable a couple of years ago.

The bloke from scun-thorp in the orinigal post wasn't alone... that was the most popular comment on the HYS item! Move than 400 people pushed the "recommend" button!

red_devil

its about time government accepted the fact that its not easy for everyone to find work, there are many barriers too many to list, but the government are at last accepting that many adults cant read or write well which is a barrier in itself. Also many people are not better off in work and in some cases worse off. Homeless people arent likely to find work either. Many cant find work also due to having no experience or skills. Its very competitive out there also and many are chasing the jobs there cant be a job for everyone. if you have had a career break to bring up children its very hard to get back in as well. Also everyone knows its easier to get a job when you have got one.

Its very easy to say get a job but in practice its a lot harder. It bores me to be honest all these headlines and proposals.

red_devil

also can i say that no-one gets away without having to look for a job despite what people think. Eveyone on jobseekers has to attend compulsory schemes where they have to prove they are looking for work if they dont they can lose their benefit. Some people dont take that on board when running the jobless down.

blue_monkey_2

I think that the council make it easy for people not to be bothered to get a job. Because there is no problem in securing a property with deposits and claiming HB as well as giving benefits - there is no incentive for people to get back to work is there? They say 'I don't want to work for minimum wage' but it's a load of cobblers really, I have done some crap jobs in my time for minimum wage because I had to earn money if I wanted to live. While it is being dealt out on a silver platter then there is no incentive to go and earn it for yourself. Make them do community service or something, fix the roads, clear rivers, littler, grafitti, etc... for the council and then pick their 'benefit' up at the end of their 'shift' and then see how many are left unemployed!!

Personally I could not imagine my husband being under my feet 24/7 and if he did not want to get a job then I would as I could not imagine anything worse!! A weekend is bad enough with him under my feet and moaning let alone being long time unemployed. LOL!!

I also agree that they should stop selling off the council houses. Our neighbour had been a council tenant for years and the daughter gave her the money to buy the house and when the mother died she moved in as the house was left to her and daughter sold her place. She used to brag about it quite a lot, the mother was really ill and the daughter literally ripped the house apart around her mother doing it all up as she grew more and more ill each day. The only people living there are her and her husband so it was not like they 'needed' the space. They wanted it as it was cheap and could get it easily, and this is where the problem lies IMO!

DKLS

Retired_I.F.A. wrote: »

I just hope all of you !!!!!!!s that have jobs and are slagging off those who live in council homes get laid off tommorow.

6 months of nothing but queing up for jobs offering minimum wage or less will soon change your attitudes.

What a pleasant person you are?
Perhaps if you improved your skill set and therefore your employability you would attract positions that pay a decent salary. Work is available ofr those that want it, its just that working is a little bit harder than playing the benefits game. And yes if you know the rules, you never have to work a day in your life. :rolleyes:

ameliarate

It seems to me that the general opinion of the people of this country is that whilst we want to help those people who are unable to help themselves, we are a bit p****d off with helping out those lazy so and so's who don't want to help themselves and who are breeding like rabbits and bringing up their children to be exactly like them. I knowf or example where I work people are booked in for interviews and don't turn up, why?, because they have to look as though they are seeking work and therefore agree to go for an interview but the job centre doesn't bother to check whether they came or not so carry on paying out our tax to them in benefits. If they don't want to work because they are paid more on benefits why not give them benefits to top them up to the same level? That way at least the the tax payers are paying less. Certainly I think it is time to stop selling off our council houses and increase the tax burden on buy to let properties as I believe they have had a big influence on increasing property prices.

Oooooooh feel better getting that off my chest.