aggressive puppy

relay

orlao wrote: »

Pboae, that'a fantastic site, it should be required reading for ALL dog owners! It explains it from a dogs point of view, after all they're not " little people in fur coats":T

Kimberly and Relay

I can see where both of you are coming from......we are all very defensive of our dogs as we love them dearly and RESPONSIBLE ROTTIE OWNERS think long and hard before we get them, socalise and train them so they are the cuddly teddy bears we know and love! However we all have our likes and dislikes regarding dog breeds and maybe Kimberly has met the not so nice unmannered louts that a lot of big dogs are when they aren't trained or socalised as they are the dogs that end up in rescue more often than not.

In saying that, I too get very cross when people generalise a breed because of inaccurate, sensantionlist(sp!!!) media reporting.....and I've has to bite my tongue (hard) on occasion whilst reading this thread;)

The attitude I try and take when I'm out and about with my dog is that please meet him and see what he's like before you judge him and when people ask about the breed try and tell them the good and bad......fantastic, trainable, very loving but also a tendancy to dominate if not consistantly trained and one of the most determined breeds I've ever come across:rotfl:

Personally I wouldn't reccommend ANY large breed puppy with small children but that's because they tend to knock them over, also their tails must hurt when wagged in a childs face:p but that's just my view!

Right.....now off to feed horses and walk dogs in the rain, got to see how much mud we'll bring into the house later:eek:

O x

orlao, it's not a question of being defensive for me (it might look that way) but you see the problem i am having is that no matter how hard i try i can't understand what planet Kimberly is on.

I have mentioned more than once that she keeps coming out with ridiculous statements she can't possibly substantiate, i have also said more than once that she never seems able to back up any of the exaggerations she posts, and furthermore as Georgina proved quite nicely last night she can't even remember half of the things she comes out with. Can you see why i find it so hard to take her seriously?

Take last night for example - Kimberly went off on another tangent about the case in Yorkshire telling us all the attack was completely unprovoked (just because they said so on the news) but she came unstuck because she hadn't even checked the facts & i actually had inside information on the case and can assure you the attack was most certainly not completly unprovoked, but for some reason Kimberly just doesn't seem interested in letting FACTS get in the way because she is far too busy making inaccurate remarks about something she very clearly knows very little about. How the hell does she know the attack was unprovoked?

All i am asking is for her to at least be consistant enought with the facts to actually know what she is talking about if she is going to keep making these ridiculous statements - at the moment she clearly doesn't know what facts are and is more interested forming opinions on little more than hearsay.

So come on Kimberly, here's your chance - show us some facts rather than ill informed inaccuracies & i'll take you seriously - i give you my word.

relay

Kimberley wrote: »

Orlao, nice post :beer:

You and a few others on here have put your opinions and your replies to mine with the upmost respect. It's people like Relay who come on threads insult those he disagrees with.
I was merely giving my views on these dogs, which i'm entitled to without someone coming on here calling me an idiot and such, it's people like him who give this site a bad name and stop newbies coming on giving their opinions or posting their problems.
I don't know much about dogs i know that, i've been fostering for just a year and i love what i do, the dogs i foster all get new homes, it's very rewarding and it is up to me what type of dog i foster.
I have refused a few, some have behaviour problems, those dogs get put with foster carers with no children and who are experienced. When other people post on this site i don't agree with some of what they say, so i ignore those threads or posts. I shall ignore Relay in future because i'm tired of all this, i come on here to be friendly, not have people like him treat me like that, i know a lot more then he thinks.

What i'm saying is that even though you/they disagree it is polite to say so without insulting or being rude about it, this i have learnt myself since i joined.

People like Relay? So that's not an insulting tone then? Do you not think some of the remarks you have made on this thread might look a little bit rude and thoughtless? You were hardly being 'friendly' in the disparaging remarks you were making about people who own Rottweilers so lets not start playing the victim. You were confrontational with your discriminating remarks from the minute you joined the thread.

You only got a confrontation when you started dishing it out with your ill informed bias.

notsoskintnow

hi all,
thanks for all your replys just to keep you updated she has now decided to rehome the dog ,it is going to someone who has rotties and knows how to handle and control these big dogs,she is still very upset but realizes she cannot give him the proper training he needs and requires to get on in life.thanks again for all your help :T

Shambler

notsoskintnow wrote: »

hi all,
thanks for all your replys just to keep you updated she has now decided to rehome the dog ,it is going to someone who has rotties and knows how to handle and control these big dogs,she is still very upset but realizes she cannot give him the proper training he needs and requires to get on in life.thanks again for all your help :T

That is a relief to hear :T I think in doing so she has not only saved her children/others from inevitably being bitten but now the dog should get the training and discipline it needs to be happy in it's life too.

I used to own a german shepherd and made sure that he was socialised from a puppy and trained ( used to do some training every day ) so that he was not aggressive.

Even so, I would never trust him enough to leave him alone with children, it is just a disaster waiting to happen...I think we all know what kids are like but just in case we don't...

When my cousin was in his early teens I witnessed him hitting his dog on the back when nobody else was around for no other reason than he could and found it 'fun'.

Weeks later my father went to stroke the dog on the back and it bit his hand...one one hand (pardon the pun) you could say that this attack was unprovoked but knowing the bigger picture you can see that it was almost bound to happen at some point.

Children get bitten by dogs all of the time but we tend to only hear about

1) Large breeds of dog because the injuries will be so much more severe.

2) Pit-Bull/Rottweiler type breeds, I've seen evidence that some people keep these as a status symbol and actively encourage the dog to be aggressive.

I once saw a yorkshire terrier tied tied to a railing outside a shop and I can tell you if it had been a rottweiler barking its head off and pulling at the lease in such a viscious manner then no doubt someone would have called the dog warden to take it away and have it destroyed! :eek:

With the wrong upbringing all dogs can turn out to be aggressive, it is down to responsible pet owners to train their dogs...otherwise a dog can be a loaded gun and a child can be the trigger.

orlao

notsoskintnow wrote: »

hi all,
thanks for all your replys just to keep you updated she has now decided to rehome the dog ,it is going to someone who has rotties and knows how to handle and control these big dogs,she is still very upset but realizes she cannot give him the proper training he needs and requires to get on in life.thanks again for all your help :T

That is good news.....for all concerned:T

While I was a touch harsh about peeps getting a dog without thinking it all through, it can't have been fun living with a dog that they were nervous of ( or any fun for the poor dog either!!)

so it looks like a win win situation.

O x

pboae

Thanks for the update notsoskintnow, I hope she doesn't feel too bad about it all, it's the best thing for everyone concerned.

eira

Just read this thread and would like to put in my pen'north , having owned two adored Giant dogs (albeit crossbreeds)We lost our 9 and a half stone Newfie cross to cancer a few weeks ago.Our previous dog (who also died of a rare form of cancer) was a Ridgeback/GSD cross

1) A 9 stone+dog is much bigger and more powerful than a human of the same weight.This may seem elementary but it is amazing how many people forget this in terms of teeth/jaws and pure bulk and muscle. A dog that size doesn't have to do anything you say-you can't pick it up and put it in a handbag. You can only get it to obey by commanding its respect- by kindness, by knowing the individual and any breed traits and making allowances for them. You must always be the 'top dog'. If you read about these so called 'unprovoked' attacks in more detail the dogs have usually been chained up/starved of affection or companionship/not socialised properly etc.
2) I think petting zoos have done children a general dis-service.There seems to be very little done to teach children to 'read' animals and treat them with respect. Having been brought up around farming communities it was part of childhood to learn when to pet and when to leave well alone.
3)Children should never be left unsupervised with a dog or any other animal. Toddlers in particular are vulnerable because they are small, staggery (?) and unpredictable and can trigger off predatory instincts in some dogs.
4) If you have a large dog be wary of people you come across-silly people who let tiny children stagger up to a huge dog because he's cute and cuddly. Our dog was, but a wag of the tail would have knocked over a little one.
A dog trained to stand to one side with a 'people first' command who is then ridden at by 12 year old on bikes on a family walk. (A true story that)
15 year olds who have a rite of passage trying to torment a large dog by barking at him.
Our command for this was 'avoid' and he came to heel. But with a large dog the behaviour and control have to be immaculate
It isn't the dog or any specific breed it is the owner and the environment he /she creates. If you demonise a breed all that happens is that responsible people will avoid them and the poor things will go to fashion victims or thugs who like the media image of the dog.

notsoskintnow

hi all,
yes my friend is ok now she was upset for a few days,but he has gone to someone who can look and care for him properly.He also said they could visit him when ever they wanted to ,so both parties happy :T

Karensteps

I wouldn't leave my daughter in a room alone with a rottie, but I don't think id leave her regardless of the breed. I quite like rotties, my uncle had one, well trained, and it was the biggest lump ever, all it wanted was to be petted, and loved to slober on you, but one word from my uncle and it behaved itself, just got carried away!
I think westies are evil! I got bit by one....because I pulled a sticky willy off its back, ungrateful!

ixwood

I can;t believe people were sugesting getting rid of a 4 month ofl puppy. Shocking,

It just needs some rules, discipline and structure. Watch the dog whisperer on Sky 3. He's amazing with animals.