aggressive puppy

WeirdoMagnet

Kimberley wrote: »

If the dogs are not aggressive then how comes they attack in the first place? The little boy who was killed recently did nothing to provoke the dog, so why did it attack? If you owned a Rottie and you have children, what would you do if the dog seriously injures or kills your child? I wouldn't be able to forgive myself because any dog that attacks is the owners fault and it would be my fault for bringing the dog into my home.

I know any dog can turn, i've said this before, but the breed is well known for attacks.

We don't really know what happened, and we're only told that they weren't provoked. In the most recent case the only person who was there that could tell us, was seven years old! Could she read canine body language and recognise warning signals from the dog? I doubt it vey much.

Kimberley, I can't believe that you think that the dog was unprovoked! Provocation is relative. Remember that this is a dog kept outside, that can not possibly be used to children in the way a dog kept inside, as part of the family is. The grandparents and parents are out, leaving the responsibility of caring for a 7, 6 and 1 year old with a 16 year old. If that's how they treat the children, it is unlikely that the dog was at the top of their list of priorities, that it had had a good walk that day. So (it's likely) that you've got an untrained, unstimulated, unexercised dog, that's unused to children. The 'responsible' 16 year old was upstairs at the time. The seven year old, carried the baby outside to pat the dog! I can see it now, the seven year old wobbling away barely able to carry a baby, intent on getting the baby to the dog, and the baby with it's arms out to stroke the dog. If that is not 'unprovoked' I don't know what is!

relay

Kimberley wrote: »

If the dogs are not aggressive then how comes they attack in the first place? The little boy who was killed recently did nothing to provoke the dog, so why did it attack? If you owned a Rottie and you have children, what would you do if the dog seriously injures or kills your child? I wouldn't be able to forgive myself because any dog that attacks is the owners fault and it would be my fault for bringing the dog into my home.

I know any dog can turn, i've said this before, but the breed is well known for attacks.

Kimberly, before you make a fool of yourself regarding the recent case perhaps you should be aware that my breeder had the neighbours of the little boy at her house collecting thier new puppy 48hrs after the boy died & if you knew the truth about how that poor dog was really being kept (rather than bleating on about what you heard on the news) you would understand exactly why it happened - you know nothing about the circumstances that lead to the attack, other people do.

The neighbour reported the family to the authorities long before the attack occured because of the unacceptable way they were treating the dog, this time i'm afraid you really don't have your facts straight & if you would like me to introduce you to the breeder in question who will tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about, then feel free to ask.

I really wish you had the sense to let this go because you are digging a rather large hole for yourself now. There were VERY good reasons why that dog attacked.

Kimberley

Georgina wrote: »

We don't really know what happened, and we're only told that they weren't provoked. In the most recent case the only person who was there that could tell us, was seven years old! Could she read canine body language and recognise warning signals from the dog? I doubt it vey much.

Kimberley, I can't believe that you think that the dog was unprovoked! Provocation is relative. Remember that this is a dog kept outside, that can not possibly be used to children in the way a dog kept inside, as part of the family is. The grandparents and parents are out, leaving the responsibility of caring for a 7, 6 and 1 year old with a 16 year old. If that's how they treat the children, it is unlikely that the dog was at the top of their list of priorities, that it had had a good walk that day. So (it's likely) that you've got an untrained, unstimulated, unexercised dog, that's unused to children. The 'responsible' 16 year old was upstairs at the time. The seven year old, carried the baby outside to pat the dog! I can see it now, the seven year old wobbling away barely able to carry a baby, intent on getting the baby to the dog, and the baby with it's arms out to stroke the dog. If that is not 'unprovoked' I don't know what is!

I'm not saying it wasn't, i was asking why the dog attacked in the first place, if the dog was provoked then it was the kids who did it and a lot of kids do tease dogs, so i'm saying a breed like this shouldn't be around those who could provoke it, thats all.

WeirdoMagnet

Kimberley wrote: »

I'm not saying it wasn't, i was asking why the dog attacked in the first place, if the dog was provoked then it was the kids who did it and a lot of kids do tease dogs, so i'm saying a breed like this shouldn't be around those who could provoke it, thats all.

But you did! You said:

Kimberley wrote: »

If the dogs are not aggressive then how comes they attack in the first place? The little boy who was killed recently did nothing to provoke the dog, so why did it attack?

We will never know what happened, how or to what extent it was provoked, because the only person who was there was a seven year old!

They are not 'normal' pet owners who have suffered a tragic accident. They are not people who looked into getting a dog, decided what breed suited their needs and lifestyle best, found a reputable breeder or a reputable rescue from which to get there dog, trained it, exercised it, stimulated it or socialised it. They did not teach their children to respect the dog, to leave it alone, to recognise canine body language that it wants to be left alone. These people quite clearly did not deserve any dog, in fact, they don't even deserve children! They are the ones who are wholly responsible for the death of the child, and the death of their dog.

Kimberley

Oh yes i did, i apologise for that. Well i'll leave it alone now, lets just say we are all entitled to have our own opinions :beer:

katiep_2

Kimberley wrote: »

The little boy who was killed recently did nothing to provoke the dog, so why did it attack?

When I was young (8 or 9 I think, I can't really remember) I got bitten by a Jack Russell. My parents and I had gone to stay at a B&B that was also a working farm. While my parents were talking to the farmer and his wife, I went over to their Jack Russell, bent over it and stroked it. It growled at me, but I ignored it and carried on stroking it. The next thing I know it was hanging off my lip! Now, years later, I realise that I deserved that bite. The dog had given me fair warning that I was invading it's space, and I chose to ignore the warning signals, but at the time as far as I was concerned it was an unprovoked bite. My parents and the farmer weren't close enough to hear any growling, so were none the wiser either.

My point is that the word "unprovoked" is completely subjective. I didn't "provoke" the Jack Russell, I didn't hit it, or tease it, I was simply stroking it, but it wasn't comfortable with that, for whatever reason. I think there are few, if any cases, where we can say hand on heart that a dog attack was unprovoked.

pboae

There is an interesting article called Anatomy of a Dog Attack here:

http://www.stopdogattacks.com/anatomy-of-a-dog-attack/

It's a bit long to copy over, but it gives a good example of how these situations can sometimes happen.

relay

Kimberley wrote: »

I know any dog can turn, i've said this before, but the breed is well known for attacks.

Again you seem to have omitted providing any hard evidence to back that claim up.

orlao

pboae wrote: »

There is an interesting article called Anatomy of a Dog Attack here:

http://www.stopdogattacks.com/anatomy-of-a-dog-attack/

Pboae, that'a fantastic site, it should be required reading for ALL dog owners! It explains it from a dogs point of view, after all they're not " little people in fur coats":T

Kimberly and Relay

I can see where both of you are coming from......we are all very defensive of our dogs as we love them dearly and RESPONSIBLE ROTTIE OWNERS think long and hard before we get them, socalise and train them so they are the cuddly teddy bears we know and love! However we all have our likes and dislikes regarding dog breeds and maybe Kimberly has met the not so nice unmannered louts that a lot of big dogs are when they aren't trained or socalised as they are the dogs that end up in rescue more often than not.

In saying that, I too get very cross when people generalise a breed because of inaccurate, sensantionlist(sp!!!) media reporting.....and I've has to bite my tongue (hard) on occasion whilst reading this thread;)

The attitude I try and take when I'm out and about with my dog is that please meet him and see what he's like before you judge him and when people ask about the breed try and tell them the good and bad......fantastic, trainable, very loving but also a tendancy to dominate if not consistantly trained and one of the most determined breeds I've ever come across:rotfl:

Personally I wouldn't reccommend ANY large breed puppy with small children but that's because they tend to knock them over, also their tails must hurt when wagged in a childs face:p but that's just my view!

Right.....now off to feed horses and walk dogs in the rain, got to see how much mud we'll bring into the house later:eek:

O x

Kimberley

Orlao, nice post :beer:

You and a few others on here have put your opinions and your replies to mine with the upmost respect. It's people like Relay who come on threads insult those he disagrees with.
I was merely giving my views on these dogs, which i'm entitled to without someone coming on here calling me an idiot and such, it's people like him who give this site a bad name and stop newbies coming on giving their opinions or posting their problems.
I don't know much about dogs i know that, i've been fostering for just a year and i love what i do, the dogs i foster all get new homes, it's very rewarding and it is up to me what type of dog i foster.
I have refused a few, some have behaviour problems, those dogs get put with foster carers with no children and who are experienced. When other people post on this site i don't agree with some of what they say, so i ignore those threads or posts. I shall ignore Relay in future because i'm tired of all this, i come on here to be friendly, not have people like him treat me like that, i know a lot more then he thinks.

What i'm saying is that even though you/they disagree it is polite to say so without insulting or being rude about it, this i have learnt myself since i joined.