aggressive puppy

Kimberley

Georgina wrote: »

Georgie? Not pboae? :rolleyes:

We can't be sure how big the rottie was, or how many marksmen it took to euthanase it. Don't believe everything your read! It is impossible to comment on the case, because none of us were there.

Rotties are as likely to 'turn at any time' as any other dog. I can understand that as you have children, that you can only foster dogs who are likely to be child-friendly, in the same way that someone who has cats would only foster dogs known to be tolerant of cats, and I'm sure rescues test their dogs as far as practicable to ensure they go to the most appropriate foster homes. But at the end of the day, without knowing its history, surely no dog can be fully 'trusted' until it has been in a home for quite some time, and exposed to lots of different stimuli? Even a supposedly friendly lab could have been tormented by children in the past, and one day 'turn' if provoked?

I know that, but surely i should have respect for my opinion of not wanting these dogs around my kids. Relay has his own opinion and i haven't insulted him, thats all i'm saying.

The policeman in person had said about the marksman and how out of control the dog was, he said it on the news, i don't believe what the paper says until i hear it from the persons mouth.

WeirdoMagnet

Kimberley wrote: »

I know that, but surely i should have respect for my opinion of not wanting these dogs around my kids.

Of course you can have your opinion, and of course you're going to put your family first, but do you really just discriminate against one breed? You'd have a 'snappy' terrier, or a 'boisterous' lab, or a 'herding, nippy collie', just not a rottie?

The media blow these stories out of all proportion, and describe an 'unprovoked attack' by a 'pet' dog who had 'never shown any sign of agression', when that is simply not the case.

Kimberley

Georgina wrote: »

Of course you can have your opinion, and of course you're going to put your family first, but do you really just discriminate against one breed? You'd have a 'snappy' terrier, or a 'boisterous' lab, or a 'herding, nippy collie', just not a rottie?

I say that because the Rottie has been known to attack kids and adults quite a few times and been reported in the media for doing so, that I would not take that risk with it. I know i'm steriotyping, but if the breed was never reported to the public to have killed anyone then maybe i would. Two Rotties killed a child on a pub roof, a rottie killed that young boy not long ago. I know it's the owners fault, they should have been watching them, but there would be times you need to leave the dog with kids in a house with dogs. It just takes a split second for any dog to turn, but with a Rottie they are so big and strong that i wouldn't risk it, it's that simple.

I havn't said that i hate the breed, i will foster them when i feel the time is right and my youngest child is past a certain age.

These parents who have a Rottie/s around children are in their right to do so, thats their choice, but if the dog attacks the child then the parents would be to blame 100%

I know other breeds can also attack, but most of them would be smaller or easier to control and get away from the victim.

WeirdoMagnet

Kimberley wrote: »

Two Rotties killed a child on a pub roof, a rottie killed that young boy not long ago. I know it's the owners fault, they should have been watching them, but there would be times you need to leave the dog with kids in a house with dogs.

You're right - it is the owners fault. It's not just that they weren't watching them, it's the whole set of circumstances. With all these cases, they are not living in 'normal' circumstances. They live outside, in a kennel, so it is understandable (although maybe not acceptable) that they protect that resource. They are not living as pets in the family home, so they can't possibly be used to children in the same way.

As I understand it, in the most recent case, a 16 year old was 'looking after' her two young siblings, AND her nephew, the 13 month old baby. The seven year old sibling carried the baby outside to stroke the dog. Nothing about this situation is responsible, not just the fact that the children weren't being watched.

Kimberley

Georgina wrote: »

You're right - it is the owners fault. It's not just that they weren't watching them, it's the whole set of circumstances. With all these cases, they are not living in 'normal' circumstances. They live outside, in a kennel, so it is understandable (although maybe not acceptable) that they protect that resource. They are not living as pets in the family home, so they can't possibly be used to children in the same way.

As I understand it, in the most recent case, a 16 year old was 'looking after' her two young siblings, AND her nephew, the 13 month old baby. The seven year old sibling carried the baby outside to stroke the dog. Nothing about this situation is responsible, not just the fact that the children weren't being watched.

I agree, but it is still my right to me not having one near my kids and i shouldn't be insulted for saying so. I love fostering dogs and I find it upsetting to get people saying i shouldn't foster just because i don't want a Rottie in my home at the moment, it doesn't mean i won't help to rescue one if one needs help. There are foster carers who have no kids who foster these type of dogs and i do help them whenever i can. I don't want to argue with anyone and i'm not one to let things go, i'm finding it hard not to say anything to Relay so i'll leave it at that now.

relay

Don't hold back on my account. Perhaps you could also show me where anyone has said you shouldn't foster too?

It was your attitude and prejudice that was questioned and if you don't like that then perhaps you should think a little more carefully before coming out with such inflamatory remarks about certain breeds being beasts that are not fit to be family pets.

Not everyone shares your prejudice but then i doubt that it even occured to you that you might be insulting people who bust a gut trying to educate the public into not believing the sort of rubbish the media want to have them believe, just to have ill informed people who 'think' they know what Rottweilers are really like undo all the good work by coming out with such silly things which 'must be true because i read it in the paper'.

It seems you can't even back up half of the things you have said about the breed other than just that you have 'heard about' things on the news so it must be true.

Perhaps you didn't notice that several other people have questioned your bias as well.

Kimberley

Perhaps you didn't notice that several other people have questioned your bias as well

Yes they did but they were polite about it, Relay keep your bleedin wig on, i'm not getting into any tiffs with anyone, lifes too short for that, and i will shout my opinions on here and going by what people have pm'd me about you I shall ignore you in future

smartsuit

I am sick of people blaming the breed for problems, it is the owners of these dogs that are the problem not the dog.
I used to have a small industrial unit and one of the other tenants had a rotty. As a small pup he would tease it, hit it and generaly abuse this dog including finding it funny to shove a pencil up its !!!!. I had many arguments with this guy over the dog but he took no notice. I also informed the rspca who could do nothing without evidence.
When the dog was about a year old he found it was too much for him so he made a kennel and kept the dog in the yard. I was the only person wh could get close to this dog and I was the only one that fed it or exercised it. One day the owner came up and took the dog out of the run and let him wander around the yard, he then started to play fight with him and all of a sudden the owner was being thrown around the yard by this dog! There was blood everywhere, his arm was ripped to shreds in seconds and I was the only one that had the sense (or stupidity) to do something about it. I went upto the dog and dragged him off the guy, when the dog realised it was me he came camly and went into his run without a fuss. the owner needed about 30 stitches here and there and the dog obviously had to be put to sleep.
Was it the dogs fault?

supermezzo

Shoulda put the owner to sleep IMO

Kimberley

If the dogs are not aggressive then how comes they attack in the first place? The little boy who was killed recently did nothing to provoke the dog, so why did it attack? If you owned a Rottie and you have children, what would you do if the dog seriously injures or kills your child? I wouldn't be able to forgive myself because any dog that attacks is the owners fault and it would be my fault for bringing the dog into my home.

I know any dog can turn, i've said this before, but the breed is well known for attacks.