Jaguar I-Pace Should I?

WellKnownSid

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81969260#Comment_81969260

You don't see many Golf owners complaining about the founder of Volkswagen…

facade

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81969637#Comment_81969637

That wasn't the famous Austro-Hungarian, it was founded under his direction, and he did do some sketches of the car that they ignored (well he was an artist…)

Then after that war a British Officer, Major Ivan Hirst, revived the company so he was more like the founder of the current incarnation. (as the story goes we got the BSA bantam, Germany got the VW beetle…)

tedted

And musk just bought tesla from the two inventors

Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning

ididgetwhereiamtoday

If I was going new EV and the sums added up I would go Tesla model 3. It is decent value for a new EV. But there is excellent value in a 3 year old Kia EV (pick any model) that still has 4 years left on the manufacture warranty.

SimonSeys

Just been through this myself. Half tempted by the Jag but the reliability issues put me off. Won’t get a Tesla for the obvious reasons (and buying second hand means that first hand values improve - see Skoda)

We considered a Skoda Enyak, Kia EV6, Mercedes EQB, and an Ioniq 5. Went for an Ioniq 5 and are very, very happy. EV’s are a genuine joy to drive. Getting back into the the old diesel is very sluggish.

No regrets about the I5. It feels like a bottom up EV rather than a converted ICE…

Goudy

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81969775#Comment_81969775

It could be said Hans Ledwinka designed the Beetle, after all it was a rip off of the Tatra 97.

Tatra tried to sue and Porsche were ready to settle until Hitler told him he'd settle it, which he did when Germany invaded Sudetenland (Then a mainly Germanic part of Czechoslovakia).

But going back to the post, I tend to look at these South Korean EV's in a favourable light. They've invested heavily in designers and engineers, recruiting the cream for around the whole and training their own really well.

They seem to have access to the right materials as well, what with China being SK's largest trading partner and after a bit of a shaky start with some bland and generic cars, they now produce some very distinctive cars.

ididgetwhereiamtoday

I reckon Kia and Hyundai are the Toyota and Honda of the 21st century.
Toyota lost a fair bit of ground in the EV market by being too stubborn regarding hybrids.

WellKnownSid

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81970050#Comment_81970050

…and "Hydrogen"

Goudy

I think Toyota have been pretty smart, in some areas.

Their market is pretty much global and they sell a lot of cars outside the UK and Europe. Most with customers without the means yet to afford or run an EV or in the case of the US, the will to adopt EV ownership in general.

There own resources in Japan limit massive battery production and to be fair, EV's have come a long way since they started to sell their hybrid system back in 2001. They have, up until recently had that hybrid market to themselves, almost and continue to do well out of them.

In the meantime, they have products that sort of fit these markets that are changing faster towards full EV ownership. It seems certain PHEV's and even HEVs will continue post the ZEV mandate for some time and they have plenty of products for markets that aren't. There's no real need to go out on a limb too far yet just to produce a range of models they will struggle to sell outside specific markets.

I have no doubt that when needed they will throw some serious amps behind EV production but the global market has to be right, not just one or two markets.

born_again

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81968119#Comment_81968119

Have look at Hynudai Inster.

Given EV2 sales only start this month, would be lucky to find a dealer with one 🤷‍♀️