'Rich' Editor feedback.

Grumpy_chap

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81860179#Comment_81860179

AIUI, "threaded" or "nested" is like Facebook and Reddit so a conversation can run off at different tangents at the same time rather than being linear (like this forum is). Each tangent can be viewed or hidden independently.

Sort of like this:

OP - I need to post about how great the new text editor is in MSE Forum. Everyone should get over there and try it out. I think all the wise advice about sensible money management could be a really powerful tool for everyone. Especially the massive range of emojis that can be put into text easily 😀

Reply1 - Yeah, thanks, I tried it out and those people over there really know their stuff

Reply 1A - They were fantastic - got some great advice about reducing my credit card interest rate.

Reply 1B - And I saved money on my car payments by early settlement of the PCP (still keeping the incentive) so I'll take the missus away for the weekend 😎

Reply 2 - I didn't like the way the quote function worked

Reply 2A - And sometimes it was hard to see how the quote can be expanded

Reply 2A-1 - I expanded a quote and it became really long as the response only related to 1 line of the 5 paragraphs of the original post

Reply 2A-2 - Some of the quotes look like quotes but I am not sure because there was no accreditation to the original author.

Reply 2A-2a - Were they genuine quotes or made up?

In that type of chain, you could see parts rolled up, or expanded, and the individual sub-routes could go round and cover the same stuff again. So you might see, for example:

OP

Reply 1 (but not Reply 1A and Reply 1B as rolled up)

Reply 2 (but not reply 2A as rolled up)

Reply 2A (but not reply 2A-1 as rolled up)

Reply 2A-2

Reply 2A-2a

A reader might miss a very pertinent comment or assign an undue level of importance to the query about whether quotes were genuine or made up while missing the information about how great the advice was on CC interest rates and PCP payments.

That's what I understand it to be and explained as well as I can in an example.

I am sure MSE Towers will correct me if I am wrong.

Grumpy_chap

Another quote that won't expand so, annoyingly, I need to scroll back up the thread to see my own post to remind myself what I wrote that is now being responded to. Even more annoying as that means flipping back through pages of the thread to get to the correct time point.

Okell

@Grumpy_chap - thanks for your explanation of "threaded/nested".

I can see the advantages but I can see the disadvantages too.

At least with a linear forum there should be less chance of missing important posts. And less chance of posts inadvertantly being posted on the wrong branch and being, as you say, rolled up, becoming hidden

patient_dream

The new editor clearly cannot function with MSE

Grumpy_chap

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81860303#Comment_81860303

Thanks - I hope my understanding / explanation was correct.

I certainly think, for the nature of the MSE forum, the linear presentation is more appropriate.

PennysIntoPounds

Please see screenshots, I pasted my diary post and it disappeared so I can't edit it before posting but the website seems to think it's there as it says 'save' and 'post'.

However if I press 'post comment' after saving draft it says body is 9 characters too short, so evidently it hasn't registered as being there. But I can't get the text box back without going out of my diary and trying again.

Additionally, the link to go to bookmarked threads etc is no longer at the bottom of the page so you have to scroll all the way back to the top to go to bookmarks through profile- but that has disappeared too so I have to reload the forums page from the address bar- if I load the diary page from address bar it shows the same faults.

Additionally, the usernames of the people who have posted on my diary have disappeared in this instance.

I'm guessing it happens when the new autosave saves at the moment you try to do something else?

Could the autosave be adjusted by the host to save less frequently than every second?

Also, the double spacing is really, really atrocious!

Thanks for your efforts in sorting these issues out

Coupon-mad

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81859611#Comment_81859611

Hmmm. That's not especially helpful by Vanilla though. It's a backward step to drop the emoji click button but OK, I can cope with that. Emojis aren't the issue.

Horribly hidden quotes are the issue.

On the parking forum, I use multi-quoting a lot, which has been useful to create a long post as a compelling illustrated single piece of evidence, that I then show to the MHCLG as part of my efforts on their Steering Group, like this post showing a rogue parking firm filming 24/7 across entire public streets:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80825127#Comment_80825127

Or this recent one with an easy to read set of photos showing unreasonable treatment of a disputing consumer by ParkingEye:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81759215#Comment_81759215

I won't be able to create that sort of post now because it will be unreadable and not intuitive for the reader to see.

Tearing my hair out, TBF.

PennysIntoPounds

In trying to paste the above with screenshots, it first cut off the start of the text.

It then would only allow one pic in the post.

It then said body is 9 characters too short when all of the above was in the text box.

It then did the recognising but not recognising 'blank box' I described above inc on refreshing so I had to reload entire forums through address bar. Again.

I appreciate there will be teething problems in any upgrade but it is now taking five minutes to do a five second post which is clearly not a sustainable situation. Please ask host server to treat this as extremely pressing!

Section62

I certainly think, for the nature of the MSE forum, the linear presentation is more appropriate.

100%.

For threads like the best regular savers, or DIY/property issues it makes sense to have posts in linear form so people's posts appear in order of how the discussion developed. In a threaded model someone could post about the latest ACME regular saver in an old sub-thread about ACME, which would mean people following the end of the main thread wouldn't necessarily see it. This could also increase the frequency of different people (or the same person) making multiple posts about the same thing.

It might be a personal thing, but I hate hunting through multiple sub-threads to try to locate the nugget of information you are looking for. If MSE goes down that route I'd find it very unappealing.

HillStreetBlues

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81860161#Comment_81860161

I use a few differet browsers (not the common ones) on Win 11 had the old editor was fine, I expect many on here use the common ones also without issues.

To bypass the forum feedback to me seems very, very strange.