Job seeking

Grumpy_chap

Veloflyer said:

His "allowance" will now be reduced by 100 per month each month. 

That will probably overcome the lack of motivation and the breadth if what he can do will show far more "suitable" jobs than he currently sees.  And if he does not see it quickly, he will need to claim means-tested benefits and the Work Coach will open his eyes to the types of jobs he can do and not "beneath him".  The main thing here will be your commitment to the cause and your will power not to revert to the endowment.

Desmond_Hume

The death of suitable jobs? What do we mean by that? There are plenty jobs out there.  He has few qualifications and even less motivation.  Falling into a £50k pa job isn’t going to happen. 

Veloflyer

Grumpy_chap said:

Veloflyer said:

His "allowance" will now be reduced by 100 per month each month. 

That will probably overcome the lack of motivation and the breadth if what he can do will show far more "suitable" jobs than he currently sees.  And if he does not see it quickly, he will need to claim means-tested benefits and the Work Coach will open his eyes to the types of jobs he can do and not "beneath him".  The main thing here will be your commitment to the cause and your will power not to revert to the endowment.

He certainly understands the money supply will run out if he doesn't get a grip, but it whilst it may provide the motivation, that it itself may not be enough to obtain a more permanent role. I don't believe he has thought anything is beneath him - His present employment at Tesco is not exactly a plum job. I would never support him claiming benefits. That is not the way.     

Veloflyer

Desmond_Hume said:

The death of suitable jobs? What do we mean by that? There are plenty jobs out there.  He has few qualifications and even less motivation.  Falling into a £50k pa job isn’t going to happen. 

I mean a lack of suitable permanent jobs for him and many like him - paying a half decent salary - say 25K pa. Time was when there plenty of unskilled/semi -skilled jobs available and with prospects if you could stay the course - car industry, steel, manufacturing in general etc. Most of these have disappeared and yet they employed millions like him. Today's job market has disenfranchised those millions as there is nothing much offering similar opportunities. 

I am certainly not expecting him to land a 50K pa job given his lack of skills and experience - mind you, he could be ideally qualified for a politician I guess.....     

           

Grumpy_chap

Veloflyer said:

His present employment at Tesco is not exactly a plum job.

Veloflyer said:. 

I mean a lack of suitable permanent jobs for him and many like him - paying a half decent salary - say 25K pa. 
           

Veloflyer said:

he is currently temporary at Tesco doing general duties. 

Veloflyer said:

How long has he been there? 
Around a year or so. Part time. It's not great but it is a job.  

What is stopping him from getting full time at Tesco?
Is he in a store, or head office?

He is 21 yo so NMW is £12.21.
45 hours per week and 52 weeks per year (full time work comes with paid leave) is £28.5k.
Perhaps the best thing he can do is "smash it" at his current job so that the local managers want to give him any any extra hours and any opportunity to progress to a full time / permanent contract as the person of first choice.
Once he has that in place, he can prove his worth and may be able to progress and develop a career in Tesco or other retail environments or, if that is not his ambition, a proven track record as a reliable employee will start to make him more attractive to other employers.

Savvy_Sue

Grumpy_chap said:

He is 21 yo so NMW is £12.21.
45 hours per week and 52 weeks per year (full time work comes with paid leave) is £28.5k.
Perhaps the best thing he can do is "smash it" at his current job so that the local managers want to give him any any extra hours and any opportunity to progress to a full time / permanent contract as the person of first choice.
Once he has that in place, he can prove his worth and may be able to progress and develop a career in Tesco or other retail environments or, if that is not his ambition, a proven track record as a reliable employee will start to make him more attractive to other employers.

You might seem to be suggesting that part-time work doesn't come with paid leave. It does, as you know, just not so much: pro rata to f/t staff, even on zero hours contracts.

But your advice is spot on. Was talking to a friend equally despairing about his nephew's inability to find a 'graduate' job - he has a zero hours contract with a supermarket and they seem to like him, he's been given extra responsibility etc. Apparently colleagues like him because he's polite and says 'please'. But it's still NMW and zero hours.

But he doesn't know what he wants to do. He doesn't want work in his degree subject, and fails to convince at interview that he's always been passionate about ... whatever it is he's being interviewed for

I'd say I just did my best at whatever I was doing throughout my working life. I figured out I didn't much enjoy managing people, and that too much responsibility for finance made me ill. If I could make someone else's job easier by unjamming the photocopier, answering the phone or checking the pettycash, I was happy. 

Grumpy_chap

Savvy_Sue said:

You might seem to be suggesting that part-time work doesn't come with paid leave. It does, as you know, just not so much: pro rata to f/t staff, even on zero hours contracts.

Sorry, I did not mean to infer that part time work does not also accrue paid leave - thank you for providing the clarification.
My reason for mentioning the holiday was to try to explain why it is the simple "52 weeks" that applies to get to annual salary - NMW for the unworked holiday as well as the worked days.  Hope that helps and clarifies rather than confusing further.

itsthelittlethings

Veloflyer said:

Desmond_Hume said:

The death of suitable jobs? What do we mean by that? There are plenty jobs out there.  He has few qualifications and even less motivation.  Falling into a £50k pa job isn’t going to happen. 

I mean a lack of suitable permanent jobs for him and many like him - paying a half decent salary - say 25K pa. Time was when there plenty of unskilled/semi -skilled jobs available and with prospects if you could stay the course - car industry, steel, manufacturing in general etc. Most of these have disappeared and yet they employed millions like him. Today's job market has disenfranchised those millions as there is nothing much offering similar opportunities. 

I am certainly not expecting him to land a 50K pa job given his lack of skills and experience - mind you, he could be ideally qualified for a politician I guess.....     

           

Where I live there are a fair number of full time minimum wage jobs. Are you in an area of high unemployment?

itsthelittlethings

I think you perhaps have to step back a bit. Be generally supportive and encourage him to develop his skills, explore his interests. If he can get a full time job and perhaps do some training at work that’s a great start. He might decide to go back to education, just because it wasn’t a big success the first time round doesn’t mean it never will be. I have a friend who went back to school aged 35 and is now a social worker after leaving school with no qualifications. Stop trying to step in and save him or control the situation. A positive attitude from your parents and support in success or failure goes a long way.

Veloflyer

But your advice is spot on. Was talking to a friend equally despairing about his nephew's inability to find a 'graduate' job - he has a zero hours contract with a supermarket and they seem to like him, he's been given extra responsibility etc. Apparently colleagues like him because he's polite and says 'please'. But it's still NMW and zero hours.

But he doesn't know what he wants to do. He doesn't want work in his degree subject, and fails to convince at interview that he's always been passionate about ... whatever it is he's being interviewed for

This is certainly the case here. My son has the ability to progress, but lack of confidence and enthusiasm are certainly factors. Then again, to him, Tesco is just a job. He certainly needs to find out for himself what he is passionate about and then go for it. Again, only he can do that.