How will they implement 3p per mile charges for driving EV’s ?

Grey_Critic

Car_54 said:

Grey_Critic said:

I have said it before and repeat myself. There will be some sort of Black Box that will record mileage closely followed by it being built in on the production line. Might already be there.

Have you actually read the consultation document?

In the Executive Summary, it clearly states "...there is no need for trackers in cars".

and at para 4.5 "Alongside paying their VED each year, under eVED motorists will estimate their mileage for the year ahead, pay an upfront charge based on their estimate or spread their payment across the year, and then submit their actual mileage at the end of the year to trigger a reconciliation. Motorists will have their mileage checked annually,"

Although this is positioned as a "consultation", the government seem to have made their mind up - on this aspect at least.

Even if a tracker were to be proposed, I'd expect the motor industry strongly to resist any UK-specific built-in tech.

You don't really believe that guff do you. Much of the technology that we have today has been undergoing testing for years. PPM has been talked about for many years and has only now come to the surface because of EVs and the loss of revenue that they bring. Petrol/Diesel has been easy to collect but based on 2022 figures produce £28 billion per annum. Road Fund licence produced £7 billion - there was of course the hiccup when they stopped issuing the tax disc but ANPR has helped bring the income from that increase. 

They have now introduced the RF for EVs but without PPM they government stands to lose a lot of money

Relying on people being honest on their mileage is pie in the sky and they will have no choice but to use technology instead of asking do you beat your wife. 

The SMART meter was never intended for use in the UK but then the suppliers looked at how it had worked in Italy so brought it here. Never ever say never when looking at the ways govenment come up with how to take money off you.

Bonniepurple

For various reasons, I don’t currently drive an EV, although I know that it’s coming at some point.  That means that large chunk of the money I spend on fuel goes to the Government. In theory this is then used to maintain roads, but there’s often more important things to fund so in reality it goes into the general point.  The more miles I do the more fuel I use. If I took my car abroad, I accept that some of the fuel that I put in in the UK will be used on foreign roads, and likewise any fuel that I pay for abroad might be used in the UK. 

At the moment, EVs have not needed to pay in the same way.  PPM was always going to come in sooner or later simply because of the reduction in fuel duty being received.  If things carried on as they currently are, an ever shrinking pool of drivers (statistically the poorest) will be funding the maintenance of roads and other public services while EV drivers enjoy the benefits. At some point, this shrinking pool won’t bring in enough to pay for everything.

forgotmyname

Car_54 said:

forgotmyname said:

I can see what's coming, a new department costing £2Billion a year will rake in £1Billion a year and it will be a flop
so they need to raise prices substantially whilst also adding in all other vehicles including historic ones?

Will I be wrong?

You may be right, but ...

I'm pleasantly surprised that they're going for a sensible low-tech solution. Some sort of roadside monitoring system would cost vastly more, arrive late, and wouldn't work.

And yet multiple camera's are appearing all over the country.  Geoff Buys Cars on YT commented a while back on some new cameras that popped up outside
Kidderminster/Worcester?  A few weeks later we noticed some additional cameras near the local ASDA and more have popped up since at major junctions.

Playing a game of could I get to work avoiding them all has been spoilt by them adding more cameras this week not at major junctions.

born_again

Grey_Critic said:

I have said it before and repeat myself. There will be some sort of Black Box that will record mileage closely followed by it being built in on the production line. Might already be there.

There was resistance to the Tachograph at first but it quickly went away. I was involved in the marketing and fitting in the very early days so have first-hand experience. Strangely enough it was the operators who complained most. Drivers were very quick to ditch the log book when given the choice.

Well if the rest of the world moves to a PBM method then yes, it would be possible. But just for the small market share in the UK.
Manufactures will not be interested.

bob_a_builder

jimjames said:

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Herzlos said:

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I imagine for most people it'll just be done as part of the MOT and the maximum fee will go up by a few quid.

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Obviously, the MOT will simply have to go up, but the MOT already takes the mileage and enters it, so they don't have to do a single thing extra at MOT to justify an increase, except not make any mistakes, which is easy enough for the owner to check on that little print out that you get.

Now charging a tenner to enter the mileage outside of an MOT would be reasonable, at 12 months & 24 months.

Not always entered correctly. I think they'll need photo to prove mileage and prevent typos

They already require a photo now for the MOT - to prove the car was actually at the MOT station 
So MOT stations are already set up for that, so an extra photo of Odo should be no issue

tedted

its only a trial at the moment,we don't do it

facade

bob_a_builder said:

They already require a photo now for the MOT - to prove the car was actually at the MOT station 
So MOT stations are already set up for that, so an extra photo of Odo should be no issue

That was just a limited trial this year at a few stations.

Someone at whatever VOSA call themselves now decided that photographing the car on the ramp would magically stop a dodgy MOT being issued.

Most people apart from them can't understand how, but I suppose coming up with the idea ticks a box and justifies someone's salary....

Grey_Critic

There are a lot of things in/on cars that you may not think about it. Years ago a customer asked they there was no safety chain on his Fiesta spare wheel. The fixings were there but no chain yet the handbook made reference to it.

The handbook is generic and covers ALL territories. It was a requirement in Sweden if I recall correctly. 

If a countries Construction & Use requires something a vehicle to comply with their rules the in the case of PPM they will simply switch it on or off as required.

UnsureAboutthis

MouldyOldDough said:

Remember that if you drive 10,000 miles per year – that’s an extra £300 pa to be found at MOT time – £900 after 3 years or when they decide to check – but you can be sure that someone will invent a device to roll back the mileage so we will all present cars with 500 miles per annum.

This is not going to help the government, get people off ICE and on to EV’s and is going to artificially push up 2nd hand values of good low emission ICE's

the only help this government is interested in is getting as much money as they can from people who have some money to their name.

nest on the list is peak period driving.

Cornucopia

The question is whether they will go for a self-reporting option that would be cheap, easy and potentially corruptible... or whether they will want something more robust at a potential cost in terms of money and inconvenience.  

There's also the possibility that they will drop it when they realise how tricky it will be to get something fair and effective vs. the smallish amount of money to be raised.   (In which case, will they raise EV road tax to compensate?)