MOT fail due to garage error

born_again

njkmr said:

Only thing I would be miffed at is the MOT record showing a fail in its history.
If the car was "special" in any way then a potential new purchaser looks at the history for a guide as to how the car has been looked after and a clear run of passes at MOT time tends to show it's been "looked after".
Only my opinion. 

Checking online would just show tyres fitted wrong way round as failure.
Hardly showing a not looked after car🤷‍♀️

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Mildly_Miffed said:

But "only bothers to fit tyres to get it through the MOT" is also accurate.

Yeah that’s the frustrating part. The tyres wouldn’t have been a fail. I chose to change them while the car was in unfortunately. Such is life.

njkmr

sheslookinhot said:

njkmr said:

Only thing I would be miffed at is the MOT record showing a fail in its history.
If the car was "special" in any way then a potential new purchaser looks at the history for a guide as to how the car has been looked after and a clear run of passes at MOT time tends to show it's been "looked after".
Only my opinion. 

…and this years failure would in no way tend to show the car had not been looked after. At least by any sensible person.

I'm clearly not as sensible as you honeybun. 
I did say in my opinion.
It may be that you have never had a special car?
Who knows?
Get in drive it ,until it stops?
Sound familiar by any chance.?

badmemory

I do hope you won't be using that garage again, because if they are making mistakes like that with the tyre what other mistakes are they making.  

Did the garage take it for its MOT?  If so I am very surprised that it was allowed to fail as the MOT station would have seen the new tyres.  The ones I know would have told the garage to come & sort it before they had to fail it.

WellKnownSid

badmemory said:

I do hope you won't be using that garage again, because if they are making mistakes like that with the tyre what other mistakes are they making.  

Did the garage take it for its MOT?  If so I am very surprised that it was allowed to fail as the MOT station would have seen the new tyres.  The ones I know would have told the garage to come & sort it before they had to fail it.

It would have been carried out on site.

Technically it could have been recorded as a PRS (still a fail for the stats) but they have to test the car as presented and could not have simply passed it, otherwise it makes safety reporting pointless.

In the rural part of Scotland we used to live you had to leave a crisp £20 note on the passenger seat if you wanted to pass an MoT - only VOSA got wind.

Mildly_Miffed

WellKnownSid said:

badmemory said:

Did the garage take it for its MOT?  If so I am very surprised that it was allowed to fail as the MOT station would have seen the new tyres.  The ones I know would have told the garage to come & sort it before they had to fail it.

It would have been carried out on site.

Not necessarily.

Little village garage I used to use for MOTs also did the tests for the local BMW dealer, who weren't an authorised tester.

WellKnownSid

Mildly_Miffed said:

WellKnownSid said:

badmemory said:

Did the garage take it for its MOT?  If so I am very surprised that it was allowed to fail as the MOT station would have seen the new tyres.  The ones I know would have told the garage to come & sort it before they had to fail it.

It would have been carried out on site.

Not necessarily.

Little village garage I used to use for MOTs also did the tests for the local BMW dealer, who weren't an authorised tester.

Can be a space thing - can be a staffing thing.  Having it off site will hit utilisation and workshop efficiency so it's not ideal.

Mildly_Miffed

WellKnownSid said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

WellKnownSid said:

badmemory said:

Did the garage take it for its MOT?  If so I am very surprised that it was allowed to fail as the MOT station would have seen the new tyres.  The ones I know would have told the garage to come & sort it before they had to fail it.

It would have been carried out on site.

Not necessarily.

Little village garage I used to use for MOTs also did the tests for the local BMW dealer, who weren't an authorised tester.

Can be a space thing - can be a staffing thing.  Having it off site will hit utilisation and workshop efficiency so it's not ideal.

A BMW dealer charges labour at an hourly rate FAR FAR higher than the MOT fee, even before you take into account the expenditure on test-specific kit, authorised-tester-qualified staff, and the test-specific bay.

I suspect there'd also be relatively low utilisation, as few people take cars to dealers once the factory warranty has expired.

jimjames

born_again said:

njkmr said:

Only thing I would be miffed at is the MOT record showing a fail in its history.
If the car was "special" in any way then a potential new purchaser looks at the history for a guide as to how the car has been looked after and a clear run of passes at MOT time tends to show it's been "looked after".
Only my opinion. 

Checking online would just show tyres fitted wrong way round as failure.
Hardly showing a not looked after car🤷‍♀️

Problem is the MOT doesn't show when the tyres were fitted

WellKnownSid

Mildly_Miffed said:

WellKnownSid said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

WellKnownSid said:

badmemory said:

Did the garage take it for its MOT?  If so I am very surprised that it was allowed to fail as the MOT station would have seen the new tyres.  The ones I know would have told the garage to come & sort it before they had to fail it.

It would have been carried out on site.

Not necessarily.

Little village garage I used to use for MOTs also did the tests for the local BMW dealer, who weren't an authorised tester.

Can be a space thing - can be a staffing thing.  Having it off site will hit utilisation and workshop efficiency so it's not ideal.

A BMW dealer charges labour at an hourly rate FAR FAR higher than the MOT fee, even before you take into account the expenditure on test-specific kit, authorised-tester-qualified staff, and the test-specific bay.

I suspect there'd also be relatively low utilisation, as few people take cars to dealers once the factory warranty has expired.

An MoT ramp ought to be 100% utilised.  At my son's place they have a dedicated MoT tester (on a lower hourly rate) just doing MoTs day in day out.  The MoT ramp is an important part of the workshop as it feeds plenty of identified work so it's a revenue machine.

Marques like BMW still see a steady stream of retail customers with older cars but business users and AUCs will make up the rest.

You're right that with some brands (e.g. Stellantis) they probably won't see anything older in their workshop than about 18 months - which is why you'll see main dealers offering 'free MoT with a service' or '£30 MoT'.  People will go for the headline rate then spend £140 an hour to fit the new brake pads!  The 3 year first MoT also corresponds with the end of the 3 year warranty for most retail customers so there is often a spike ('must take the car in - if it fails then the warranty will cover it' - whereas in 99% of cases it won't).