Putting up new fence....where there isnt one between neighbours

WIAWSNB

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.
That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I don't really agree with that, as having the proposed fence in the correct place would give the neighbour an approaching view up their enclosed drive as they come in the gate, instead of an open view of a neighbour's drive and garden. Mrs Bucket may actually quite like that idea.

In any case, to effectively give this deluded neighbour half your garden is a really bad idea...

Boohoo

WIAWSNB said:

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.
That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I don't really agree with that, as having the proposed fence in the correct place would give the neighbour an approaching view up their enclosed drive as they come in the gate, instead of an open view of a neighbour's drive and garden. Mrs Bucket may actually quite like that idea.

In any case, to effectively give this deluded neighbour half your garden is a really bad idea...

How about putting this type of fence there.

It would not be blocking neighbours window and also would define correct boundaries between the house's.

https://tekplas.co.uk/products/post-chain-fencing-100-cm

jinsta

WIAWSNB said:

jinsta said:

My neighbours (well one of the household members) is getting a bit funny about the grass area upfront + parking (+noise, but we will ignore that for now. Yes she thinks plasterers are way too noisy to give you gauge on that though lol) 

  

neighbour doesnt help as also intentially parking further back to be petty, which technically crosses over 'our' boundary line, but letting that slide for now as dont want to ruffle feathers where poss. 

We typically maintain the entire lawn anyway, but since works started and skips been introduced..the neighbour seems to want to cut the grass. 

I have advised we wont be doing it until all cleared again (they even asked if we could move the skip to allow it be mowed lol) and I get looks a bit messy at moe wih mix of overgrown/patchy/dead grass + skip/materials...but thats kind of on us and it should not really be of concern as within 'our' garden, regardless if they have to have a front row seat looking at it. 

Keeping things polite, but also fed up with upteen messages about state of the grass and trades people getting wheels on it or about the skip guy driving on it to pick up/unload.

One of the last bits of work we want to do is put a low level fence up along the boundary upfront (along yellow/black line bit shown/grass area only/wont be taking it to the concrete driveway part) and thereafter along our side of it create another run of flower bedding so we basically end up with another strip that continues to join up to our existing ones (basically end up having it all the way round our grass). 

The neighbour obviously doesnt want a front fence up as makes their frontage look smaller, but i'd like to seperate it if possible to gain the gardening space make it our own without looking 'shared'.

Revisiting your OP, it's clear your neighbour is a bit of an entitled twit. She's having a go about the state of your garden during these works. Good lawd - just let that run through your mind for a moment. 

It's worse - she's now, for the first time, mowing your lawn, and expects the skip to move to allow her to do so. Eek - that's actually a bit crazy. 

She sends upteen messages about this, and complains about noisy plasterers. Woooohoooo!

And she's started to park further down the drive in order to be awkward. How churlish. How utterly petty.

So, that's your neighbour. Your choice is whether to allow this sort of person to dictate what you want for your garden. 

Q - are you sure she won't like your fence idea? It would actually demarcate their boundary rather nicely, and make it look as tho' they have a 'sweeping' drive to their house. Right now, it looks more like you share a communal garden - not many folk like that impression. 

They also appear to have a nice bit of extra space to the right boundary, if they were to clear away that shrubbery, so really quite an impressively wide driveway.

Anyhoo, something else to ponder - your driveway is currently a lot narrower than theirs, and allows only one vehicle's width. How do you exit your drive on to the road? Do you reverse back and up into 'their' drive, so you can exit forwards? If they become totally 'holery, could they try and place bollards along that dividing line? 

If so, I'd suggest they'd ultimately lose any case about this, but what a pain... 

Make 100% you have solid LegProt that would cover you in such an event.

Seriously, tho', if this were my hoosie, I think I'd welcome that fence, as it would make my house look like a house, and not a semi. 

This is my rough plan. 

The boundary line for both properties stretches out from middle of two buildings to middle of the red line bit marked entrance (the yellow bit i marked+black line is the property boundary line). We technically both cross each others boundary lines as kind of shared right of way (although nowt on deeds) and on paper...own part of there 'wide' driveway too.  

 

Both houses....we typically drive in/and then reverse out. That part outside entrance is the pavement with dropped curb. Road part itself is then on on a bend with double yellows on opp side, so we have enough swing to come in and out ok. 

My drive is deffo single width after driveway fork bit, allows for 3 cars...but case of of moving one if another needs to come out. It is tight, but enough room when parked up to get out drivers side and walk on whats left of driveway...if you have passengers, you normally hop them out before fork bit when you arrive/leave. I could  widen it by losing some of the area to my left, but not really been a issue thus far. If doing any kind of work on my car, i use the bit towards my garage as wide enough to get all round with doors fully open.

I've only had polite chat and its established they don't want any fence or me to add flower bedding line as overall makes their frontage appear smaller (which on paper, always has been and is). Not pursued matter as still getting house sorted first, but will prob just go ahead without their consent. Can do work from within my boundary anyway, but they will prob kick off once posts and panels show up. A bit Karen mixed with Hyacinth Bucket type, so i rather not deal with advanced aggro until i actually get around to starting the job.

jinsta

Boohoo said:

WIAWSNB said:

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.
That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I don't really agree with that, as having the proposed fence in the correct place would give the neighbour an approaching view up their enclosed drive as they come in the gate, instead of an open view of a neighbour's drive and garden. Mrs Bucket may actually quite like that idea.

In any case, to effectively give this deluded neighbour half your garden is a really bad idea...

How about putting this type of fence there.

It would not be blocking neighbours window and also would define correct boundaries between the house's.

REMOVED LINK

This is what wanted originally really (far more cost effective too), but i cant control any natural overgrow the plants may have if add flower beds (which they dont want on 'their' side). Gravel board/fence seems only way i can get the flower bed now really. Its prob just first excuse they come up with, but i dont want hassle moving forward about cutting there lawn or flowers overgrowing etc 

jinsta

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.

That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I'm just not comfortable with closing my boundary short for them to assume rest is theirs. They already 'assume' entirety of the driveway on their side is theirs when its not. 

Boohoo

jinsta said:

Boohoo said:

WIAWSNB said:

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.
That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I don't really agree with that, as having the proposed fence in the correct place would give the neighbour an approaching view up their enclosed drive as they come in the gate, instead of an open view of a neighbour's drive and garden. Mrs Bucket may actually quite like that idea.

In any case, to effectively give this deluded neighbour half your garden is a really bad idea...

How about putting this type of fence there.

It would not be blocking neighbours window and also would define correct boundaries between the house's.

REMOVED LINK

This is what wanted originally really (far more cost effective too), but i cant control any natural overgrow the plants may have if add flower beds (which they dont want on 'their' side). Gravel board/fence seems only way i can get the flower bed now really. Its prob just first excuse they come up with, but i dont want hassle moving forward about cutting there lawn or flowers overgrowing etc 

Have your thought about sleepers along the boundary or a raised flower bed type of construction then their side and then the grass/weeds would have to be a foot high before they got to the height of the flower bed.

It would cost more but you were going to have a flower bed where the lawn/driveways meet anyway weren't you.

silvercar

jinsta said:

Boohoo said:

WIAWSNB said:

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.
That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I don't really agree with that, as having the proposed fence in the correct place would give the neighbour an approaching view up their enclosed drive as they come in the gate, instead of an open view of a neighbour's drive and garden. Mrs Bucket may actually quite like that idea.

In any case, to effectively give this deluded neighbour half your garden is a really bad idea...

How about putting this type of fence there.

It would not be blocking neighbours window and also would define correct boundaries between the house's.

REMOVED LINK

This is what wanted originally really (far more cost effective too), but i cant control any natural overgrow the plants may have if add flower beds (which they dont want on 'their' side). Gravel board/fence seems only way i can get the flower bed now really. Its prob just first excuse they come up with, but i dont want hassle moving forward about cutting there lawn or flowers overgrowing etc 

Given they would have the right to cut down any branches that cross the boundary, it makes sense to place your plants so that they have a reasonable circle to grow without hanging over to the neighbours. You don't want them continually loping offending branches, leaving your plants looking decidely lop sided.

jinsta

Boohoo said:

jinsta said:

Boohoo said:

WIAWSNB said:

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.
That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I don't really agree with that, as having the proposed fence in the correct place would give the neighbour an approaching view up their enclosed drive as they come in the gate, instead of an open view of a neighbour's drive and garden. Mrs Bucket may actually quite like that idea.

In any case, to effectively give this deluded neighbour half your garden is a really bad idea...

How about putting this type of fence there.

It would not be blocking neighbours window and also would define correct boundaries between the house's.

REMOVED LINK

This is what wanted originally really (far more cost effective too), but i cant control any natural overgrow the plants may have if add flower beds (which they dont want on 'their' side). Gravel board/fence seems only way i can get the flower bed now really. Its prob just first excuse they come up with, but i dont want hassle moving forward about cutting there lawn or flowers overgrowing etc 

Have your thought about sleepers along the boundary or a raised flower bed type of construction then their side and then the grass/weeds would have to be a foot high before they got to the height of the flower bed.

It would cost more but you were going to have a flower bed where the lawn/driveways meet anyway weren't you.

For the front, I haven't thought about raised beds be fair as sort of liked idea i had a continuous flower bed run at existing level around my lawn. Sleeper itself could act as barrier i need mind, but prob equate to same aggro as having a fence up. 

Rear, was looking at sleepers to frame the beds there where it meets concrete, but need to figure out if create any drainage issues as think water runs into the beds at moe. 

jinsta

silvercar said:

jinsta said:

Boohoo said:

WIAWSNB said:

mac.d said:

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.
That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.

I don't really agree with that, as having the proposed fence in the correct place would give the neighbour an approaching view up their enclosed drive as they come in the gate, instead of an open view of a neighbour's drive and garden. Mrs Bucket may actually quite like that idea.

In any case, to effectively give this deluded neighbour half your garden is a really bad idea...

How about putting this type of fence there.

It would not be blocking neighbours window and also would define correct boundaries between the house's.

REMOVED LINK

This is what wanted originally really (far more cost effective too), but i cant control any natural overgrow the plants may have if add flower beds (which they dont want on 'their' side). Gravel board/fence seems only way i can get the flower bed now really. Its prob just first excuse they come up with, but i dont want hassle moving forward about cutting there lawn or flowers overgrowing etc 

Given they would have the right to cut down any branches that cross the boundary, it makes sense to place your plants so that they have a reasonable circle to grow without hanging over to the neighbours. You don't want them continually loping offending branches, leaving your plants looking decidely lop sided.

Yes plan was to introduce 3-4 new rose bushes to beds, with rest all being low to medium level plants with nothing growing taller then fence height. Questioning myself whether i should do less then 5feet fence now mind as don't really need it super high (orig plan was 1ft gravel board/4ft panel), but neighbor will more then likely just do a new bed on their side and wont be concerned about anything growing over to mine as they let the rear happily go over at moe.

WIAWSNB

If you are flexible, then you could use it as part of the 'chat', showing you are open to their input. Just have in mind what you won't compromise on.
If they are objectionable, just smile and say 'let me know if you want to talk about it...', and get on with it.