Putting up new fence....where there isnt one between neighbours

silvercar

Check that your deeds don’t require you to have permission from property C before making changes.

5 foot is quite a high fence for a front garden, in my road the fences are usually only 3 foot high.

jinsta

silvercar said:

If I was your neighbour I wouldn’t be happy.

Firstly,  their view was of a nice lawn, you will make it a view of a fence.

Secondly, you will leave them with a lawn that is too small and really mean they need to plant flowers by your new fence or replace the lot with shrubs.

Thirdly, if your new fence ends at their driveway, they are going to have to be more careful parking to ensure they have room to fully open a car door without it being blocked by your fence.

Those are only the long term views. In the short term you’ve already annoyed them by not maintaining your lawn, so spoiling their view and having skips parked around. Let alone blocking the driveway to have to ask you to move for access. This last point would really get my hackles up. They shouldn’t need to have to announce their arrivals and departures, they aren’t planes; the access should be clear at all times.

Yes, they would be looking at my fence in part if they don't want to do anything along their side. I'll put a nice fence up, with nicer side facing them too. Lawn size left isn't really my concern as we have maintained it for years even though have no claim to it. They can landscape whats left or introduce something new, but not my concern really. If they really want to continue a shared open look, nowt stopping them taking down own fence between them and other neighbor either,  

Their driveway and use of it remains unchanged. Its already wide enough to drive/park where they normally do. Can still open all doors if needed on their part of drive. They have never needed to drive over the lawn previously and only bit I'm looking to change really.

We have not had work on our house done like this in 'forever' really, also first time we actually have had a skip here, but get the short term nuisance it causes. Cant help but think if there was more separation here already, it would prob be less of an issue.

Parking i do agree is bit of pain and on me and should not be blocking way in any part. Its not a daily occurrence or problem, but we do have it now and again whilst works on. This isn't new mind, we have had the issue for years where on occasion either of us has multiple people round and need to block one another. Its not like i don't let them use my driveway if free either. Just would have expected some understanding as when they have works done and blocked me, never bothered me if have to ask to move a vehicle like. The road we are on is a cul-de-sac too, so its bit limited for parking to begin with so get it occurs. 

They are being petty recently about it mind, last week asked to move vehicle and then didn't even go anywhere or purposely park towards fork so its harder for us (well trades guys) to swing out of the driveway entrance. 

jinsta

silvercar said:

Check that your deeds don’t require you to have permission from property C before making changes.

5 foot is quite a high fence for a front garden, in my road the fences are usually only 3 foot high.

Any link between Property C and A/B would have been moons back when the new properties were first introduced. From what i understand, C sold plot in 1963 and in 1964 A&B were built. I dont think either of us are restricted by C in any regard, well for me for sure as dont even share any physical boundary with C. 

Rules for fencing by local council dicate...If it faces a road, the maximum height is 1 meter. If it doesn't face a road, the maximum height is 2 meters. Bit of grey one as i'm on triangluar plot, but as its not directly road facing...i think its upto 2m for me. 

On my deeds, makes mention of ''maintain a good and sufficient close boarded boundary fence not less than five feet in height along the boundary of the land marked "T"''....so plans just to stick to 5feet total (pannel and gravel boards)

DE_612183

jinsta said:

silvercar said:

If I was your neighbour I wouldn’t be happy.

Firstly,  their view was of a nice lawn, you will make it a view of a fence.

Secondly, you will leave them with a lawn that is too small and really mean they need to plant flowers by your new fence or replace the lot with shrubs.

Thirdly, if your new fence ends at their driveway, they are going to have to be more careful parking to ensure they have room to fully open a car door without it being blocked by your fence.

Those are only the long term views. In the short term you’ve already annoyed them by not maintaining your lawn, so spoiling their view and having skips parked around. Let alone blocking the driveway to have to ask you to move for access. This last point would really get my hackles up. They shouldn’t need to have to announce their arrivals and departures, they aren’t planes; the access should be clear at all times.

Yes, they would be looking at my fence in part if they don't want to do anything along their side. I'll put a nice fence up, with nicer side facing them too. Lawn size left isn't really my concern as we have maintained it for years even though have no claim to it. They can landscape whats left or introduce something new, but not my concern really. If they really want to continue a shared open look, nowt stopping them taking down own fence between them and other neighbor either,  

Their driveway and use of it remains unchanged. Its already wide enough to drive/park where they normally do. Can still open all doors if needed on their part of drive. They have never needed to drive over the lawn previously and only bit I'm looking to change really.

We have not had work on our house done like this in 'forever' really, also first time we actually have had a skip here, but get the short term nuisance it causes. Cant help but think if there was more separation here already, it would prob be less of an issue.

Parking i do agree is bit of pain and on me and should not be blocking way in any part. Its not a daily occurrence or problem, but we do have it now and again whilst works on. This isn't new mind, we have had the issue for years where on occasion either of us has multiple people round and need to block one another. Its not like i don't let them use my driveway if free either. Just would have expected some understanding as when they have works done and blocked me, never bothered me if have to ask to move a vehicle like. The road we are on is a cul-de-sac too, so its bit limited for parking to begin with so get it occurs. 

They are being petty recently about it mind, last week asked to move vehicle and then didn't even go anywhere or purposely park towards fork so its harder for us (well trades guys) to swing out of the driveway entrance. 

So they are being petty as you are causing them some disruption - well I guess that's their prerogative.

Did you mention any of this before it started?

jinsta

As newbie to site, cant post link to pdf...but for legal boffins done quick copy/paste of both our deeds.

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PROPERTY A (MY HOUSE)

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Title register for:

PROPERTY A (MY HOUSE) (Freehold)

Title number: xxx

Accessed on 11 July 2025 at 14:56:58

This information can change if we receive an application. This service cannot tell you if HM Land Registry are dealing with an application.

This is not an official copy. It does not take into account if there’s a pending application with HM Land Registry. If you need to prove property ownership, for example, for a court case, you’ll need to order an official copy of the register.

Register summary

Title number                                                       xxx

Registered owners	xxx PROPERTY A (MY HOUSE) (Freehold)
Last sold for	No price recorded

A: Property Register

This register describes the land and estates comprised in this title.

Entry number                     Entry date

1                                                                                                                                       1938-01-06         BRENT

 

The Freehold land shown edged with red on the plan of the above Title filed at the Registry and being PROPERTY A (MY HOUSE) (Freehold)

 

2                                                                                                                                       The Conveyance dated 3 November 1934 referred

to in the Charges Register contains the following provision:-

 

It is hereby agreed and declared by and between the parties hereto that

 

.....The Purchaser shall not by reason of these presents acquire any right or easement of light air or otherwise which would interfere with the unrestricted user of any adjoining land belonging to the Vendor or his predecessors or successors in title and nothing in these presents shall be construed to impose any restriction whatsoever upon the user of the adjoining land of the Vendor or his predecessors or successors in title or to create a building scheme.

3                                                                                                                                       The Transfer dated 4 October 1963 referred to in

the Charges Register contains the following provision:-

 

The Transferee and the persons deriving title under them shall not by implication prescription or otherwise become entitled to any right of light or air on the adjoning property PROPERTY C (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE, but 2 Along) (Freehold) aforesaid of the Transferor or otherwise which would restrict or interfere with the free use of such adjoining property for any purpose.

4                                                                                                                                       A Transfer of the land in this title dated 5 May 1964

made between (1) Newdene Construction Company Limited and (2) Frank Weeks contains the following provision:-

 

"IT IS HEREBY AGREED AND DECLARED that the fence or wall where marked "T" within the boundary thereof on the said plan shall belong to and be the responsibility of the Transferee."

 

NOTE: A T mark affects the north western boundary of the land in this title.

B: Proprietorship Register

This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It contains any entries that affect the right of disposal.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number                     Entry date

1                                                 1984-06-05                                PROPRIETOR: xxx of xxx

xxx. PROPERTY A (MY HOUSE) (Freehold)

C: Charges Register

This register contains any charges and other matters that affect the land.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number                     Entry date

1                                                                                                                                       A Deed dated 18 July 1900 made between (1) Fanny

Maria Pinfold (2) The Govenror and Company of the New River contains restrictive covenants but neither the original deed nor a certified copy or examined abstract thereof was produced on first registration.

2                                                                                                                                       An Agreement dated 23 March 1905 made

between (1) Joseph Cleary William George Cleary Francis Cleary and Frederick Cleary (2) British Dynamo Limited contains restrictive covenants but neither the original deed nor a certified copy or examined abstract thereof was produced on first registration.

3                                                                                                                                       A Conveyance of the land in this title and other land

dated 3 November 1934 made between (1) Percival Smirk (Vendor) (2) Roland Edward Bees (Purchaser) contains covenants details of which are set out in the schedule of restrictive covenants hereto.

4                                                                                                                                      A Transfer of the land in this title and other land dated 4 October 1963 made between (1) Jan Stanislaw Waszkiewicz and (2) Newdene

Construction Company Limited contains covenants details of which are set out in the schedule of restrictive covenants hereto.

5                                                                                                                                       The land is subject to rights of drainage for the benefit of the adjoining land to the north-west.

6                                                                                                                                       The following are details of the covenants contained in the Conveyance dated 3 November 1934 referred to in the Charges Register.

"FOR the benefit of the Vendors adjoining and neighbouring lands and to the intent that so far as practicable in regard to the restrictions hereinafter contained the same shall be enforceable by the owner or owners for the time being of the Vendors' unsold adjoining property or any such part thereof as may hereafter be sold expressly with the benefit of such covenant but so nevertheless that the same shall not be enforceable by any Purchaser of any part of the Vendors' adjoining estate unless the benefit thereof shall be expressly assigned to such Purchaser and so as to bind the property hereby conveyed into whosesoever hands the same may pass (but so that the Purchaser shall as regards any covenant restrictive of the user of the land hereby conveyed by personally liable therefor so long only as the Purchaser is the owner of the said land or part thereof in regard to which the breach occurs) the Purchaser hereby covenants with the Vendor that the Purchaser will observe and perform the stipulations and restrictions contained in the Schedule hereto.

THE SCHEDULE before referred to

Stipulations and Restrictions

1.                     No part of the said lands or any building now erected or hereafter to be erected thereon or on any part thereof shall be used or permitted to be used for the sale of ale beer wine or spirituous liquors to be sold or consumed either on or off the premises nor shall any such building be used or permitted to be used as a public house ale-house or hotel.

2.                     No factory or workshop shall be erected on any part of the said lands nor shall any building now erected or hereafter to be erected thereon or on any part thereof be used or permitted to be used other than as a private dwellinghouse (including a Company house and a house for the profession of a doctor surgeon Solicitor or dentist).

3.                     No building or erection shall be set up on the said land nearer to the road in front thereof than is indicated by the line shown on the plan to be the

building line

4.                     Not more than one dwellinghouse shall be erected on the said land

5.                     No clay or soil shall be removed from the land except such as may be necessary to be excavated for the purpose of erecting buildings thereon laying drains and for gardening purposes.

6.                     The Purchaser shall maintain at his own expense good and sufficient boundary fences on the sides of the land as marked with a "T" on the plan

[1].  The Purchaser shall pay a proportionate part of the expense of keeping in repair any road or roads now or hereafter constructed adjoining the property to be conveyed according to the extent of the frontage until the road shall be declared to be a highway repairable by the inhabitants at large such proportion to be determined in case of difference by the Vendor's Surveyor and shall also pay a proportionate part with the other persons entitled to use the same of the expense of keeping in repair the sewers and drains used in connection with the property conveyed until such sewers and drains shall be taken over by the Local Authority such proportion to be determined in case of difference by the Vendor's Surveyor.

8.                     The Purchaser shall pay all sums payable to the Local Authority prior to or connected with the taking over or making up of the said road or roads and sewers and drains and paving or otherwise completing the footpaths so far as such road or roads and footpaths and sewers and drains abut on or are used in connection with the property to be conveyed.

9.                     The Purchaser will pay a proportionate part with other persons entitled to use the same of the cost of keeping in repair the footpaths at the side or rear or leading to the rear of the property hereby conveyed.

10.                No poultry or pigeons shall be allowed or kept on any of the land hereby conveyed nor shall any advertisement hoarding or sign be erected thereon.

NOTE: The Southern and Eastern boundaries are affected by the "T" mark.

referred to in the Charges Register:-

The Transferee for the benefit and protection of the remainder of the property in the above Title No. xxx known as PROPERTY C (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE, but 2 Along) (Freehold) to the intent and so that the covenant shall be binding on the said land hereby transferred unto whosoever hands the same may come doth hereby for themselves and their successors in title covenant with the Transferor and his successors in title that they and their successors in title will at all times hereafter observe and perform the restictive covenants referred to in the Charges Register relating to Title No. xxx and the restrictions stipulations and conditions set forth in the Schedule hereto and to keep the Transferor and his estate and effects fully and effectually

indemnified from and against all costs charges proceedings claims and demands arising out of or in respect thereof.

THE SCHEDULE above referred to

1.                     Within a period of three months from the date of this Transfer to erect and thereafter maintain a good and sufficient close boarded boundary fence not less than five feet in height along the boundary of the land marked "T" on the plan annexed hereto and also to maintain good and sufficient fences along the remaining boundaries of the land hereby transferred.

2.                     No buildings shall be erected upon the land hereby transferred except two private dwellinghouses and no such buildings shall be erected until the plans elevations and materials to be used in the construction thereof shall have been approved in writing by the Transferor or his Surveyors whose fees for such approval shall be paid by the Transferee and no such buildings shall after erection be altered without the like previous consent in writing.

3.                     No hut shed or caravan or house on wheels adapted or intended as a dwellinghouse or sleeping room shall be kept or suffered or permitted to be kept on the land hereby transferred.

4.                     No dwellinghouse which shall be erected on the land hereby transferred shall at any time be used for any purpose other than that of a private dwellinghouse and no trade business or manufacture whatsoever shall be set up nor carried on thereon or on any part thereof and the Transferee and their successors in title shall not place nor allow to be placed on any part of the said land any show board placard hoarding advertisement or name plate.

5.                     Not to do nor permit to be done any act or thing on or about the land hereby transferred which shall or may be or grow to be an annoyance nuisance damage or disturbance to the Transferor or his successors in title or other the owners occupiers for the time being of PROPERTY C (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE, but 2 Along) (Freehold) aforesaid.

6.                     Not to excavate or dig out any gravel or other material of any kind from the land transferred or any part thereof.

NOTE: No boundary of the land in this title is marked  "T"

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[1] The following are details of the covenants contained in the Transfer dated 4 October 1963

jinsta

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PROPERTY B (MY NEIGHBOUR)

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Title register for:

PROPERTY B (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE) (Freehold)

Title number:xxx

Accessed on 11 July 2025 at 15:27:15

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Register summary

Title number                                                       xxx

Registered owners	xxx
Last sold for	No price recorded

A: Property Register

This register describes the land and estates comprised in this title.

Entry number                     Entry date

1                                                                                                                                       1938-01-06        xxx

 

The Freehold land shown edged with red on the plan of the above Title filed at the Registry and being PROPERTY B (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE) (Freehold)

2                                                                                                                                       The land has the benefit of rights of drainage over

the adjoining property to the south- east.

3                                                                                                                                       The Conveyance dated 3 November 1934 referred

to in the Charges Register contains the following provision:-

 

It is hereby agreed and declared by and between the parties hereto that

 

(a)  The Purchaser shall not by reason of these presents acquire any right or easement of light air or otherwise which would interfere with the unrestricted user of any adjoining land belonging to the Vendor or his predecessors or successors in title and nothing in these presents shall be construed to impose any restriction whatsoever upon the user of the adjoining land of the Vendor or his predecessors or successors in title or to create a building scheme.

4                                                                                                                                       The Transfer dated 4 October 1963 referred to in

the Charges Register contains the following provision:-

 

The Transferee and the persons deriving title under them shall not by implication prescription or otherwise become entitled to any right of light or air on the adjoining property PROPERTY C (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE, but 2 Along) (Freehold) aforesaid of the Transferor or otherwise which would restrict or interfere with the free use of such adjoining property for any purpose.

5                                                                                                                                       The Transfer of the land in this title dated 28 April

1964 referred to in the Charges Register contains

the following provision:-

 

"IT IS HEREBY AGREED AND DECLARED that the fence or wall where marked "T" within the boundary thereof on the said plan shall belong to and be the responsibility of the Transferees."

 

NOTE: A "T" mark affects the northern and southeastern boundaries of the land in this title.

B: Proprietorship Register

This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It contains any entries that affect the right of disposal.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number                     Entry date

1                                              1983-11-11                                                         PROPRIETOR: xxx

and xxx

C: Charges Register

This register contains any charges and other matters that affect the land.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number                     Entry date

1                                                                                                                                       The land is subject so far as it may be affected

thereby to the covenants contained in a Deed dated 18 July 1900 and made between (1) Fanny Maria Pinfold and (2) the Governors and Company of the New River and (b) an Agreement dated 23 March 1905 and made between (1) Joseph Cleary,

William George Cleary, Francis Cleary and

Frederick Cleary and (2) Henry Haynes but neither

the original deeds nor certified copies nor examined abstracts were produced on first registration.

2                                                                                                                                       A Conveyance of the land in this title dated 3

November 1934 made between (1) Percival Smirk (Vendor) (2) Roland Edward Bees (Purchaser) contains covenants details of which are set out in the schedule of restrictive covenants hereto.

3                                                                                                                                       A Transfer of the land in this title and other land

dated 4 October 1963 made between (1) Jan

Stanislaw Waszkiewicz and (2) Newdene

Construction Company Limited contains covenants details of which are set out in the schedule of restrictive covenants hereto.

4                                                                                                                                       The following are details of the covenants contained in the Conveyance dated 3 November 1934 referred to in the Charges Register.

"FOR the benefit of the Vendors adjoining and neighbouring lands and to the intent that so far as practicable in regard to the restrictions hereinafter contained the same shall be enforceable by the owner or owners for the time being of the Vendors' unsold adjoining property or any such part thereof as may hereafter be sold expressly with the benefit of such covenant but so nevertheless that the same shall not be enforceable by any Purchaser of any part of the Vendors' adjoining estate unless the benefit thereof shall be expressly assigned to such Purchaser and so as to bind the property hereby conveyed into whosesoever hands the same may pass (but so that the Purchaser shall as regards any covenant restrictive of the user of the land hereby conveyed by personally liable therefor so long only as the Purchaser is the owner of the said land or part thereof in regard to which the breach occurs) the Purchaser hereby covenants with the Vendor that the Purchaser will observe and perform the stipulations and restrictions contained in the Schedule hereto.

THE SCHEDULE before referred to

Stipulations and Restrictions

1.                     No part of the said lands or any building now erected or hereafter to be erected thereon or on any part thereof shall be used or permitted to be used for the sale of ale beer wine or spirituous liquors to be sold or consumed either on or off the premises nor shall any such building be used or permitted to be used as a public house ale-house or hotel.

2.                     No factory or workshop shall be erected on any part of the said lands nor shall any building now erected or hereafter to be erected thereon or on any part thereof be used or permitted to be used other than as a private dwellinghouse (including a Company house and a house for the profession of a doctor surgeon Solicitor or dentist).

3.                     No building or erection shall be set up on the said land nearer to the road in front thereof than is indicated by the line shown on the plan to be the building line

4.                     Not more than one dwellinghouse shall be erected on the said land

5.                     No clay or soil shall be removed from the land except such as may be necessary to be excavated for the purpose of erecting buildings thereon laying drains and for gardening purposes.

6.                     The Purchaser shall maintain at his own expense good and sufficient boundary fences on the sides of the land as marked with a "T" on the plan 

7.                     The Purchaser shall pay a proportionate part of the expense of keeping in repair any road or roads now or hereafter constructed adjoining the property to be conveyed according to the extent of the frontage until the road shall be declared to be a highway repairable by the inhabitants at large such proportion to be determined in case of difference by the Vendor's Surveyor and shall also pay a proportionate part with the other persons entitled to use the same of the expense of keeping in repair the sewers and drains used in connection with the property conveyed until such sewers and drains shall be taken over by the Local Authority such proportion to be determined in case of difference by the Vendor's Surveyor.

8.                     The Purchaser shall pay all sums payable to the Local Authority prior to or connected with the taking over or making up of the said road or roads and sewers and drains and paving or otherwise completing the footpaths so far as such road or roads and footpaths and sewers and drains abut on or are used in connection with the property to be conveyed.

9.                     The Purchaser will pay a proportionate part with other persons entitled to use the same of the cost of keeping in repair the footpaths at the side or rear or leading to the rear of the property hereby conveyed.

10.                No poultry or pigeons shall be allowed or kept on any of the land hereby conveyed nor shall any advertisement hoarding or sign be erected thereon.

NOTE: The western boundary of the land in this title was marked "T"

5                                                                                                       The following are details of the covenants

contained in the Transfer dated 4 October 1963 referred to in the Charges Register:-

 

"The Transferee for the benefit and protection of the remainder of the property in the above Title No. xxx known as PROPERTY C (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE, but 2 Along) (Freehold) to the intent and so that the covenant shall be binding on the said land hereby transferred unto whosoever hands the same may come doth hereby for themselves and their successors in title covenant with the Transferor and his successors in title that they and their successors in title will at all times hereafter observe and perform the restrictive covenants referred to in the Charges register relating to Title No. xxx and the restrictions stipulations and conditions set forth in the Schedule hereto and to keep the Transferor and his estate and effects fully and effectually indemnified from and against all costs charges proceedings claims and demands arising out of or in respect thereof.

THE SCHEDULE above referred to:-

1.                     Within a period of three months from the date fo this Transfer to erect and thereafter maintain a good and sufficient close boarded boundary fence not less than five feet in height along the boundary of the land marked 'T' on the plan annexed hereto and also to maintain good and sufficient fences along the remaining boundaires of the land hereby transferred.

2.                     No building shall be erected upon theland hereby transferred except two private dwellinghouses and no such buildings shall be erected until the plans elevations and materials to be used in the contruction thereof shall have been approved in writing by the Transferor or his Surveyors whose fees for such approval shall be paid by the Transferee and no such buildings shall after erection be altered without the like previous consent in writing.

3.                     No hut shed or caravan or house on wheels adapted or intended as a dwelling or sleeping room shall be kept or suffered or permitted to be kept on the land hereby transferred.

4.                     No dwellinghouse which shall be erected on the land hereby transferred shall at any time be used for any purpose other than that of a private dwellinghouse and no trade business or manufacture whatsoever shal be set up nor carried on thereon or on any part thereof and the Transferreea and their successors in title shall not place nor allow to be placed on any part of the said land any show board placard hoarding advertisement or name plate.

5.                     Not to do nor permit to be done any act or thing or about the land hereby transferred which shall or may be or grow to be annoyance nuisance damage or disturbance to the Transferor or his successors in title or other the owners occupiers for the time being of PROPERTY C (NEIGHBOUR HOUSE, but 2 Along) (Freehold) aforesaid.

6.                     Not to excavate or dig out any gravel or other material of any kind from the land transferred or any part thereof."

NOTE: The 'T' referred to in clause 1 above affect the Northern boundary of the land in this title.

jinsta

DE_612183 said:

jinsta said:

silvercar said:

If I was your neighbour I wouldn’t be happy.

Firstly,  their view was of a nice lawn, you will make it a view of a fence.

Secondly, you will leave them with a lawn that is too small and really mean they need to plant flowers by your new fence or replace the lot with shrubs.

Thirdly, if your new fence ends at their driveway, they are going to have to be more careful parking to ensure they have room to fully open a car door without it being blocked by your fence.

Those are only the long term views. In the short term you’ve already annoyed them by not maintaining your lawn, so spoiling their view and having skips parked around. Let alone blocking the driveway to have to ask you to move for access. This last point would really get my hackles up. They shouldn’t need to have to announce their arrivals and departures, they aren’t planes; the access should be clear at all times.

Yes, they would be looking at my fence in part if they don't want to do anything along their side. I'll put a nice fence up, with nicer side facing them too. Lawn size left isn't really my concern as we have maintained it for years even though have no claim to it. They can landscape whats left or introduce something new, but not my concern really. If they really want to continue a shared open look, nowt stopping them taking down own fence between them and other neighbor either,  

Their driveway and use of it remains unchanged. Its already wide enough to drive/park where they normally do. Can still open all doors if needed on their part of drive. They have never needed to drive over the lawn previously and only bit I'm looking to change really.

We have not had work on our house done like this in 'forever' really, also first time we actually have had a skip here, but get the short term nuisance it causes. Cant help but think if there was more separation here already, it would prob be less of an issue.

Parking i do agree is bit of pain and on me and should not be blocking way in any part. Its not a daily occurrence or problem, but we do have it now and again whilst works on. This isn't new mind, we have had the issue for years where on occasion either of us has multiple people round and need to block one another. Its not like i don't let them use my driveway if free either. Just would have expected some understanding as when they have works done and blocked me, never bothered me if have to ask to move a vehicle like. The road we are on is a cul-de-sac too, so its bit limited for parking to begin with so get it occurs. 

They are being petty recently about it mind, last week asked to move vehicle and then didn't even go anywhere or purposely park towards fork so its harder for us (well trades guys) to swing out of the driveway entrance. 

So they are being petty as you are causing them some disruption - well I guess that's their prerogative.

Did you mention any of this before it started?

I dont deny that doing the work has caused some disruption to them. It will be around 3mths by the time everything is completed. Was not my intention to go on this long really either, but scope evolved to near refurb of property to resolve issues that were coming up. 

The gardens something we always intended to do, but never got around too. Its just as work comes to end and fact i need to redo lawn and parts of existing bedding, just the right opportunity to do so now. I'm not doing anything I'm not permitted to (i think) although I did not inform at the start of works of it as wasn't originally planned. The builders have sort of said they can do some of the prep work for it leaving me to just put up fence/feeder top soil for bedding, so kind of missed opp if don't do it. They wont be happy mind. 

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

I think those last two posts are a bit long for people to read OP, might help to bold any parts you are concerned might relate to the fence issue  

Personally once the work is done I'd nip over to the neighbour with a box of chocolates and bottle of wine to say thanks for putting up with the building works.

In terms of the fence, I guess it's good the driveway is outlined on the title plan as it makes it clearer where the boundary is, not sure how far you want to run the fence as it looks very tight the closer you get to the entrance based on the ariel images in your OP.

Would it pee the neighbours off less if you only ran the fence half or a third of the way, separating the grass area but leaving the drive as it is? 

WIAWSNB

jinsta said:

My neighbours (well one of the household members) is getting a bit funny about the grass area upfront + parking (+noise, but we will ignore that for now. Yes she thinks plasterers are way too noisy to give you gauge on that though lol) 

  

neighbour doesnt help as also intentially parking further back to be petty, which technically crosses over 'our' boundary line, but letting that slide for now as dont want to ruffle feathers where poss. 

We typically maintain the entire lawn anyway, but since works started and skips been introduced..the neighbour seems to want to cut the grass. 

I have advised we wont be doing it until all cleared again (they even asked if we could move the skip to allow it be mowed lol) and I get looks a bit messy at moe wih mix of overgrown/patchy/dead grass + skip/materials...but thats kind of on us and it should not really be of concern as within 'our' garden, regardless if they have to have a front row seat looking at it. 

Keeping things polite, but also fed up with upteen messages about state of the grass and trades people getting wheels on it or about the skip guy driving on it to pick up/unload.

One of the last bits of work we want to do is put a low level fence up along the boundary upfront (along yellow/black line bit shown/grass area only/wont be taking it to the concrete driveway part) and thereafter along our side of it create another run of flower bedding so we basically end up with another strip that continues to join up to our existing ones (basically end up having it all the way round our grass). 

The neighbour obviously doesnt want a front fence up as makes their frontage look smaller, but i'd like to seperate it if possible to gain the gardening space make it our own without looking 'shared'.

Revisiting your OP, it's clear your neighbour is a bit of an entitled twit. She's having a go about the state of your garden during these works. Good lawd - just let that run through your mind for a moment. 

It's worse - she's now, for the first time, mowing your lawn, and expects the skip to move to allow her to do so. Eek - that's actually a bit crazy. 

She sends upteen messages about this, and complains about noisy plasterers. Woooohoooo!

And she's started to park further down the drive in order to be awkward. How churlish. How utterly petty.

So, that's your neighbour. Your choice is whether to allow this sort of person to dictate what you want for your garden. 

Q - are you sure she won't like your fence idea? It would actually demarcate their boundary rather nicely, and make it look as tho' they have a 'sweeping' drive to their house. Right now, it looks more like you share a communal garden - not many folk like that impression. 

They also appear to have a nice bit of extra space to the right boundary, if they were to clear away that shrubbery, so really quite an impressively wide driveway.

Anyhoo, something else to ponder - your driveway is currently a lot narrower than theirs, and allows only one vehicle's width. How do you exit your drive on to the road? Do you reverse back and up into 'their' drive, so you can exit forwards? If they become totally 'holery, could they try and place bollards along that dividing line? 

If so, I'd suggest they'd ultimately lose any case about this, but what a pain... 

Make 100% you have solid LegProt that would cover you in such an event.

Seriously, tho', if this were my hoosie, I think I'd welcome that fence, as it would make my house look like a house, and not a semi. 

mac.d

Regardless of actual boundaries, if I wanted to stay on good terms with my neighbour here, I'd be building a 3ft fence down the 'natural' line from the middle of the houses to the pointed end of the grassy area and telling them that's what I propose to do, making sure they know it's despite any legal rights. As any kind of fence along the legal boundary just makes it look a bit odd.

That's just me though, whereas if not bothered about relationship with neighbours, and more concerned with what's legally your bit of the garden, go ahead with your plan and just don't be surprised if your neighbour is a bit annoyed with it.