Putting up new fence....where there isnt one between neighbours

Boohoo

How high is the fence going to be?

The plots are a weird layout.

You will have to make sure where the boundaries are and I would also if possible get something drawn up for you and your Waitrose neighbour so in the future if one of you wants to move then you have it all on paper.

I still think tis will end in tears.

WIAWSNB

jinsta said:

More like this. I'm not adding another gate or restrictions anywhere, the 'entrance' has a shared gate. I'm just wanting to box in my own grass area in/leave them to have own seperate lawn to do what they please with.

They are still free to use their drive as they did and we will both still share joint access in over one another (from entrance to fork). Technically some of the their drive belongs to us, but wont impose anything here. Last (or first) fence post on grass just acts as new marker for where their personal driveway ends. 

That's what I'd assumed.
As I said, there is nothing in what you've told us that would obviously prevent you from doing this. So, if you want to, taking into account all the potential repercussions, then go ahead.
They will - pretty much guaranteed - be cheesed off. Much of this will be because they like the current layout, with it appearing that they own a larger garden than they actually do. Also, they'll now need to mow their own wee patch - or turn it into a shrubbery. Ni! 
This has to be your call to make. Folk are warning you about possible damage to neighbourly relations, but it would be equally accurate to say that these neighbours are effectively currently imposing their will on your rights by this unspoken risk.
Whatever you decide, make 100% certain about what both sets of deeds say. For instance, I find it astonishing that they don't mention the 'shared' part of the entrance drive. I take it it's impossible to bring a car in that gate if the two were separated by the black boundary line? In which case, what's good for t'goose, is equally good for t'gander.

But again, there is the potential for a nose-disjointed neighbour to become stupidly awkward over this, and start, say, placing a bollard on their side of the gate entrance in order to force you to remove it each time. And a bolshie twit would take this to silly levels using the 'law' - ie a hand-rubbing solicitor. I would suggest they'd ultimately lose as you both have an almost certainly acquired easement (or whatevs) for this shared entrance, but that doesn't mean it won't be painful if they try.

DE_612183

They will now also be looking at a fence out of their front window rather than a nice expanse of grass - how high is the fence?

silvercar

If I was your neighbour I wouldn’t be happy.

Firstly,  their view was of a nice lawn, you will make it a view of a fence.

Secondly, you will leave them with a lawn that is too small and really mean they need to plant flowers by your new fence or replace the lot with shrubs.

Thirdly, if your new fence ends at their driveway, they are going to have to be more careful parking to ensure they have room to fully open a car door without it being blocked by your fence.

Those are only the long term views. In the short term you’ve already annoyed them by not maintaining your lawn, so spoiling their view and having skips parked around. Let alone blocking the driveway to have to ask you to move for access. This last point would really get my hackles up. They shouldn’t need to have to announce their arrivals and departures, they aren’t planes; the access should be clear at all times.

WIAWSNB

silvercar said:

If I was your neighbour I wouldn’t be happy.
Firstly,  their view was of a nice lawn, you will make it a view of a fence.
Secondly, you will leave them with a lawn that is too small and really mean they need to plant flowers by your new fence or replace the lot with shrubs.
Thirdly, if your new fence ends at their driveway, they are going to have to be more careful parking to ensure they have room to fully open a car door without it being blocked by your fence.
Those are only the long term views. In the short term you’ve already annoyed them by not maintaining your lawn, so spoiling their view and having skips parked around. Let alone blocking the driveway to have to ask you to move for access. This last point would really get my hackles up. They shouldn’t need to have to announce their arrivals and departures, they aren’t planes; the access should be clear at all times.

Whoa!

The OP made it clear it was only to be a low fence, to demarcate the boundary and provide a barrier for his flowerbed so it didn't stray beyond this.

So the neighbour will lose the current view of the 'big' lawn? And will have to look after the teeny triangle that actually is their lawn? Big bludy deal x 2!

What's more, the OP has always conscientiously mown the neighbour's wee bit too - I wonder if they ever had a thanks? 

The OP is having work done, and admits that this is causing damage to HIS OWN lawn. Which he apologised for, and explained he'd sort. But the neighbs are still grumpy about this! 

Access to the drive is usually good, but obviously builder's vans will compromise this at times. Again, he apologises, and sorts.

A sense of balance here. 

DE_612183

WIAWSNB said:

silvercar said:

If I was your neighbour I wouldn’t be happy.
Firstly,  their view was of a nice lawn, you will make it a view of a fence.
Secondly, you will leave them with a lawn that is too small and really mean they need to plant flowers by your new fence or replace the lot with shrubs.
Thirdly, if your new fence ends at their driveway, they are going to have to be more careful parking to ensure they have room to fully open a car door without it being blocked by your fence.
Those are only the long term views. In the short term you’ve already annoyed them by not maintaining your lawn, so spoiling their view and having skips parked around. Let alone blocking the driveway to have to ask you to move for access. This last point would really get my hackles up. They shouldn’t need to have to announce their arrivals and departures, they aren’t planes; the access should be clear at all times.

Whoa!

The OP made it clear it was only to be a low fence, to demarcate the boundary and provide a barrier for his flowerbed so it didn't stray beyond this.

So the neighbour will lose the current view of the 'big' lawn? And will have to look after the teeny triangle that actually is their lawn? Big bludy deal x 2!

What's more, the OP has always conscientiously mown the neighbour's wee bit too - I wonder if they ever had a thanks? 

The OP is having work done, and admits that this is causing damage to HIS OWN lawn. Which he apologised for, and explained he'd sort. But the neighbs are still grumpy about this! 

Access to the drive is usually good, but obviously builder's vans will compromise this at times. Again, he apologises, and sorts.

A sense of balance here. 

I think @silvercar was trying to provide a sense of balance as to how the neighbour might feel.

Yes the OP can go ahead and do this, but to expect it not to impact his neighbour or for them to be put out would be misleading.

jinsta

Boohoo said:

How high is the fence going to be?

The plots are a weird layout.

You will have to make sure where the boundaries are and I would also if possible get something drawn up for you and your Waitrose neighbour so in the future if one of you wants to move then you have it all on paper.

I still think tis will end in tears.

Plot is weird, ours is bigger frontage and smaller rear, theres is kind of the opposite. Fence, not planning to build anything higher then 4-5 feet (max 1.5m). 

The boundary line looks fairly black & white, it goes from middle line of two houses to middle line of the entrance we share. My new fence would just lie inside my boundary/title plans on part of my garden. 

Yes, think they may get funny about it really, but i'm only trying to section some of the garden on my own plot. They wont like it, but technically not their land to dispute what we do either.

WIAWSNB

DE_612183 said:

WIAWSNB said:

silvercar said:

If I was your neighbour I wouldn’t be happy.
Firstly,  their view was of a nice lawn, you will make it a view of a fence.
Secondly, you will leave them with a lawn that is too small and really mean they need to plant flowers by your new fence or replace the lot with shrubs.
Thirdly, if your new fence ends at their driveway, they are going to have to be more careful parking to ensure they have room to fully open a car door without it being blocked by your fence.
Those are only the long term views. In the short term you’ve already annoyed them by not maintaining your lawn, so spoiling their view and having skips parked around. Let alone blocking the driveway to have to ask you to move for access. This last point would really get my hackles up. They shouldn’t need to have to announce their arrivals and departures, they aren’t planes; the access should be clear at all times.

Whoa!

The OP made it clear it was only to be a low fence, to demarcate the boundary and provide a barrier for his flowerbed so it didn't stray beyond this.

So the neighbour will lose the current view of the 'big' lawn? And will have to look after the teeny triangle that actually is their lawn? Big bludy deal x 2!

What's more, the OP has always conscientiously mown the neighbour's wee bit too - I wonder if they ever had a thanks? 

The OP is having work done, and admits that this is causing damage to HIS OWN lawn. Which he apologised for, and explained he'd sort. But the neighbs are still grumpy about this! 

Access to the drive is usually good, but obviously builder's vans will compromise this at times. Again, he apologises, and sorts.

A sense of balance here. 

I think @silvercar was trying to provide a sense of balance as to how the neighbour might feel.

Yes the OP can go ahead and do this, but to expect it not to impact his neighbour or for them to be put out would be misleading.

Of course, and I understand. And I made the same 'impact' point to the OP.
Ultimately, tho', the OP has perfectly reasonable rights that are effectively being compromised by the will to not annoy.
It's his call.

silvercar

I was only pointing out how I would feel as a neighbour. As a neighbour, I don’t actually see that you gain very much by your plans, but the neighbour loses a lot. Whereas you are perfectly entitled to do whatever you wish - though check your deeds for limitations on fence height in front gardens - you will build resentment. And I still think your builders shouldn’t be blocking shared drives, you should be moving your own cars down the road so your builders have somewhere to park that doesn’t block shared drives.

jinsta

WIAWSNB said:

jinsta said:

More like this. I'm not adding another gate or restrictions anywhere, the 'entrance' has a shared gate. I'm just wanting to box in my own grass area in/leave them to have own seperate lawn to do what they please with.

They are still free to use their drive as they did and we will both still share joint access in over one another (from entrance to fork). Technically some of the their drive belongs to us, but wont impose anything here. Last (or first) fence post on grass just acts as new marker for where their personal driveway ends. 

That's what I'd assumed.
As I said, there is nothing in what you've told us that would obviously prevent you from doing this. So, if you want to, taking into account all the potential repercussions, then go ahead.
They will - pretty much guaranteed - be cheesed off. Much of this will be because they like the current layout, with it appearing that they own a larger garden than they actually do. Also, they'll now need to mow their own wee patch - or turn it into a shrubbery. Ni! 
This has to be your call to make. Folk are warning you about possible damage to neighbourly relations, but it would be equally accurate to say that these neighbours are effectively currently imposing their will on your rights by this unspoken risk.
Whatever you decide, make 100% certain about what both sets of deeds say. For instance, I find it astonishing that they don't mention the 'shared' part of the entrance drive. I take it it's impossible to bring a car in that gate if the two were separated by the black boundary line? In which case, what's good for t'goose, is equally good for t'gander.

But again, there is the potential for a nose-disjointed neighbour to become stupidly awkward over this, and start, say, placing a bollard on their side of the gate entrance in order to force you to remove it each time. And a bolshie twit would take this to silly levels using the 'law' - ie a hand-rubbing solicitor. I would suggest they'd ultimately lose as you both have an almost certainly acquired easement (or whatevs) for this shared entrance, but that doesn't mean it won't be painful if they try.

The deeds are also a tad weird, but does not look like there are any restrictions in place, also no mention of shared access either.

To simplify it, lets make my house PROPERTY A, my direct neighbour that i share semi with PROPERTY B.....then to add to the mix, the property over the fence to them and their other neighbour PROPERTY C.

At some point in time, i think PROPERTY C owned the plot where A & B was built. It makes reference to PROPERTY C on my deeds. I've also got both PROPERTY A & B deeds and neither make any reference to shared access or anything between us.

I cant post links, but have both deeds to share if needed too

Agree, they will be cheesed off for bit, but i'm only looking to section of some of my plot. Any access they had to where they drive in and park would remain as is (i mean they never have driven over lawn to park and its the only bit i'm looking to separate). 

Caviet is they don't legally fully own the entirety of their presumed driveway or ever have, but wont effect use either as they only have the one car and where it is normally parked is fully inside their boundary. I don't think they will be petty and start placing bollards really, i kind of hold the cards if they want to be difficult too.