Bought house, wood burning stove gone!

mikrt

Just found this on "Wayback machine"

"Living Room
A spacious through room with double glazed window to the front and bifold patio doors to the rear garden, oak flooring throughout, cylindrical feature log burner set on slate hearth"

BikingBud

subjecttocontract said:

BikingBud said:

Grumpy_chap said:

BikingBud said:

Grumpy_chap said:

daveyjp said:

No need to put it on any list.  Was the gas boiler, the bath, the toilet, the kitchen units?

A woodburner, which forms an integral part of the property, is exactly the same and if removal is planned it needs to be negotiated as part of the sale.

The very first question on the F&F form is:

"Boiler / Immersion Heater" - Included - Excluded - None - Price £ - Comments

Bath is also listed. (section 3)

Fitted kitchen units are listed (section 7)

https://www.rlo.law/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/fc.pdf

Interesting to list wood at Section 10 - Stock of Fuel but there is no means to burn it as  fuel listed.

Given that it is something that is installed and the installation is subject to regulation I would expect it to be left installed. 

I would press with solicitors and ask them to return it or make good, remove flue and restore hose in ceiling, roof etc.

You might expect.

BUT, if it is not listed on the F&F form, it is not guaranteed to be left.  The F&F form has space for other items to be listed if not a standard line item.  If the wood burner was important to the OP, then the OP should have ensured that the wood burner was listed as an item on the F&F form.

I would expect that if the OP pressed with their Solicitor, the Solicitor would simply refer to the F&F form and say the wood burner is not listed to be left so no further action.

Or make good?

There isn't usually any making good required when a log burner is removed. You are still left with a fireplace which you can do whatever you like with.

Or perhaps there is?

mikrt said:

subjecttocontract said:

BikingBud said:

Or make good?

There isn't usually any making good required when a log burner is removed. You are still left with a fireplace which you can do whatever you like with.

There is a flue coming down through ceiling a foot or so, with a carrier bag taped around the open end. Also an open pipe, which I guess is air supply at floor level. 

Tiglet2

mikrt said:

Just found this on "Wayback machine"

"Living Room
A spacious through room with double glazed window to the front and bifold patio doors to the rear garden, oak flooring throughout, cylindrical feature log burner set on slate hearth"

I think I did say earlier on in this thread, that you shouldn't rely on the EA's sales particulars as they can be ambiguous.  It would be good form for a seller to tell the EA that the log burner wouldn't be staying, but the seller obviously didn't.  Of course, the EA might have asked the question, but didn't.  The EA is selling the property and goes round noting all the positives about a property, takes measurements, photos and provides a description of what there is.  

The sales particulars do not form part of the legal conveyancing, they are not attached to the contract and it is not to be relied upon as what you see is what you get.  If you visit a developer's new build show home, you know that all the furniture and decor won't be provided in the actual property you purchase, unless you're buying the show home.  Same principal here.  The F&C form is the only form to rely upon, but you had the opportunity before exchange to ask questions of both the seller, EA and your solicitor.

Grumpy_chap

I just read this thread again and I am really rather struggling now to understand why the OP is so concerned about the issue.

It is the OP's son who purchased the house, and the OP's son seems rather unconcerned.

Maybe time for the OP to cut the reins and let the OP's son make their own choices and worry about their own priorities.

WIAWSNB

mikrt said:

I've just been told this morning that the sales brochure mentioned the stove. I have only seen the online version which has now gone.

I did ask him briefly again, but he's said he's not going to chase it up. 

The sellers and him have mutual friends (and kids now go to same primary School)

Life's too short

Zoopla may be your friend.

I love this kind of stuff :-) Y'know, that kind of issue that doesn't have that much of a monetary value, but will provide mucho enjoyment by gently, incrementally, involve rubbing their unethical noses in it. 

BungalowBel

When we sold our last house, we said we would leave 'curtains'.  We did, but a different set to those which the buyer had seen.  We felt that this fulfilled our end of the bargain.  The buyer never complained.

In this case, if 'wood burning stove' is not mentioned as being left, then they shouldn't assume it would be, imo.  Although it would have been sensible for the seller to point this out.

HillStreetBlues

Grumpy_chap said:

I just read this thread again and I am really rather struggling now to understand why the OP is so concerned about the issue.

It is the OP's son who purchased the house, and the OP's son seems rather unconcerned.

Maybe time for the OP to cut the reins and let the OP's son make their own choices and worry about their own priorities.

As not a burning issue for OP's son, then I agree should just let it die.

Section62

HillStreetBlues said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I just read this thread again and I am really rather struggling now to understand why the OP is so concerned about the issue.

It is the OP's son who purchased the house, and the OP's son seems rather unconcerned.

Maybe time for the OP to cut the reins and let the OP's son make their own choices and worry about their own priorities.

As not a burning issue for OP's son, then I agree should just let it die.

Agreed.  No need to inflame the situation.  Even if it does grate.

kinger101

subjecttocontract said:

Tabieth said:

I’d be glad it’s gone. They’re terrible for air pollution and health. 

Not if you are in the property, in the middle of winter with the doors and windows closed....there is no pollution or health hazard then.

Alternatively, it also beats the hell out of sitting there freezing on a cold winter's night.

According to you but not reality.

kinger101

Personally I'd have considered as fixtures and fittings and have expected it it have been included, but would have taken steps to ensure during the conveyancing process.  

I'd be glad to see the back of it.  They are not good for health of either the home owner or anyone else and I think  they will be banned at some point.  

If I had purchase the house and expected it to be there I'd check the sales listing.  Does it mention  wood burning stove?  Is so the vendor checked the copy on the listing and it is explicitly included in the sale.  Their EA will be keen to agree with to cover their own backs.