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  • abuhafs
    abuhafs Posts: 49 Forumite
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    edited 21 May at 9:59AM
    Here is the defence from the newbies thread template. I've added the para3 from @shahib_02 as recommended for DCB legal in the template. Not added any further wordings from myself. The rest of defence is as per template so havent added the lot here. Please advise, thanks

    Particulars of Claim
    1. The Defendant (D) is indebted to the Claimant (C) for a Parking Charge(s) (PC) issued to vehicle XXX at xxADDRESS.
    2. The date of contravention is 06/11/2024
    and the D was issued with PC(s) by the Claimant
    3. The Defendant is pursued as the driver of the vehicle for breach of the terms on the signs (the contract). Reason: All Vehicles Must Hold A Valid NPC E Permit Or Clearly Display A Valid Permit In The Windscreen
    4. In the alternative the Defendant is pursued as the keeper pursuant to POFA 2012, Schedule 4.
    AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS
    1. £170 being the total of the PC(s) and damages.
    2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £.03 until judgment or sooner payment.
    3. Costs and court fees


    IN THE COUNTY COURT

    Claim No.:  M0KF…

    Between

    National Parking Control……..

    (Claimant) 

    - and -  

    Mr………………………..

     (Defendant)

    _________________

    DEFENCE

     

    1.  The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.  It is denied that any conduct by the driver was in breach of any term.  Further, it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as agents) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the boilerplate text in the Particulars of Claim ('the POC').

     

    The facts known to the Defendant:

    2. The facts in this defence come from the Defendant's own knowledge and honest belief.  Conversely, the Claimant sets out a cut-and-paste incoherent and sparse statement of case. The POC appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action". The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case, allegation(s) and what heads of cost are being pursued, making it difficult to respond. However, the vehicle is recognised and it is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper and driver.

     

    3. Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is not indebted to the Claimant. Paragraph 2 is denied. Whilst the Defendant is the registered keeper, paragraphs 3 and 4 are denied. The Defendant is not liable and has seen no evidence of a breach of prominent terms.  The quantum is hugely exaggerated (no PCN can be £170 on private land) and there were no damages incurred whatsoever. The Claimant is put to strict proof of all of their allegations.

     

    4. The Claimant will concede that no financial loss has arisen and that in order to impose an inflated parking charge, as well as proving a term was breached, there must be:

    (i). a strong 'legitimate interest' extending beyond mere compensation for loss, and

    (Ii). 'adequate notice' of the 'penalty clause' charge which, in the case of a car park, requires prominent signs and lines.

    5. The Defendant denies (i) or (ii) have been met. The charge imposed, in all the circumstances is a penalty, not saved by ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC67 ('the Beavis case'), which is fully distinguished.


  • Le_Kirk
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    Your POC states "date of contravention" now, not "date of issue" so your paragraph three is slightly out of date.  Read some other more recent DCB Legal defences using @shahib_02 for advice.
  • Coupon-mad
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    DCB Legal……..

    (Claimant) 


    No it isn't. The Template Defence tells you this isn't the solicitor firm. So which PPC?
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  • 1505grandad
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    " No PCN was "issued on 06/11/2024" (the date of the alleged visit)."

    Also the PoC state "contravention" not "issued"  -  see loads of other threads where this is covered. 
  • Coupon-mad
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    abuhafs said:

    Unfortunately I've received a notice for parking in a new residential area when visiting. Honestly did not see or realise they had parking restrictions in the close. Hadn't received any letters previously either

    Here is the defence from the newbies thread template. 

    Not added any further wordings from myself. The rest of defence is as per template so havent added the lot here. Please advise, thanks

    Particulars of Claim
    1. The Defendant (D) is indebted to the Claimant (C) for a Parking Charge(s) (PC) issued to vehicle XXX at xxADDRESS.
    2. The date of contravention is 06/11/2024
    and the D was issued with PC(s) by the Claimant
    3. The Defendant is pursued as the driver of the vehicle for breach of the terms on the signs (the contract). Reason: All Vehicles Must Hold A Valid NPC E Permit Or Clearly Display A Valid Permit In The Windscreen
    4. In the alternative the Defendant is pursued as the keeper pursuant to POFA 2012, Schedule 4.
    AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS
    1. £170 being the total of the PC(s) and damages.
    2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £.03 until judgment or sooner payment.
    3. Costs and court fees

    -------------------------------


    IN THE COUNTY COURT

    Claim No.:  M0KF…

    Between

    National Parking Control……..

    (Claimant) 

    - and -  

    Mr………………………..

     (Defendant)

    _________________

    DEFENCE

     

    1.  The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.  It is denied that any conduct by the driver was in breach of any term.  Further, it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as agents) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the boilerplate text in the Particulars of Claim ('the POC').

     

    The facts known to the Defendant:

    2. The facts in this defence come from the Defendant's own knowledge and honest belief.  Conversely, the Claimant sets out a cut-and-paste incoherent and sparse statement of case. The POC appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action". The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case, allegation(s) and what heads of cost are being pursued, making it difficult to respond. However, the vehicle is recognised and it is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper and driver.

     

    3. Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is not indebted to the Claimant. Paragraph 2 is denied. Whilst the Defendant is the registered keeper, paragraphs 3 and 4 are denied. The Defendant is not liable and has seen no evidence of a breach of prominent terms.  The quantum is hugely exaggerated (no PCN can be £170 on private land) and there were no damages incurred whatsoever. The Claimant is put to strict proof of all of their allegations.

     

    4. The Claimant will concede that no financial loss has arisen and that in order to impose an inflated parking charge, as well as proving a term was breached, there must be:

    (i). a strong 'legitimate interest' extending beyond mere compensation for loss, and

    (Ii). 'adequate notice' of the 'penalty clause' charge which, in the case of a car park, requires prominent signs and lines.

    5. The Defendant denies (i) or (ii) have been met. The charge imposed, in all the circumstances is a penalty, not saved by ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC67 ('the Beavis case'), which is fully distinguished.

    REST OF TEMPLATE GOES HERE
    The POC aren't part of your defence of course so I've separated them when quoting you.

    Looks OK although I would add that the signs were inadequate and not prominent enough to be seen in November (in darkness?).
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  • abuhafs
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    edited 22 May at 3:52PM
    UPDATE 2:



    IN THE COUNTY COURT

    Claim No.:  M0KF…

    Between

    National Parking Control……..

    (Claimant) 

    - and -  

    Mr………………………..

     (Defendant)

    _________________

    DEFENCE

     

    1.  The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.  It is denied that any conduct by the driver was in breach of any term.  Further, it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as agents) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the boilerplate text in the Particulars of Claim ('the POC').

     

    The facts known to the Defendant:

    2. The facts in this defence come from the Defendant's own knowledge and honest belief.  Conversely, the Claimant sets out a cut-and-paste incoherent and sparse statement of case. The POC appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action". The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case, allegation(s) and what heads of cost are being pursued, making it difficult to respond. However, the vehicle is recognised and it is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper and driver.

     

    3. Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is not indebted to the Claimant. Paragraph 2 is denied. Whilst the Defendant is the registered keeper, paragraphs 3 and 4 are denied. The Defendant is not liable and has seen no evidence of a breach of prominent terms.  The quantum is hugely exaggerated (no PCN can be £170 on private land) and there were no damages incurred whatsoever. The Claimant is put to strict proof of all of their allegations.

     (i). The signs were inadequate and not prominent enough to be seen by visitors driving into the parking areas. Signs were in small print and high up which made it almost impossible to see as you enter the parking area.

    4. The Claimant will concede that no financial loss has arisen and that in order to impose an inflated parking charge, as well as proving a term was breached, there must be:

    (i). a strong 'legitimate interest' extending beyond mere compensation for loss, and

    (Ii). 'adequate notice' of the 'penalty clause' charge which, in the case of a car park, requires prominent signs and lines.

    5. The Defendant denies (i) or (ii) have been met. The charge imposed, in all the circumstances is a penalty, not saved by ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC67 ('the Beavis case'), which is fully distinguished.
  • abuhafs
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    I'm looking to send this off tomorrow, as i'll be flying out tomorrow evening until 01June. Don't want to leave it to last minute. Hope above is okay to send off?
    Thanks for all your support guys!
  • Coupon-mad
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    Remove the Particulars of Claim. I already explained why. That's not part of the defence. You can see that when you look at the Template Defence.
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  • abuhafs
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    Remove the Particulars of Claim. I already explained why. That's not part of the defence. You can see that when you look at the Template Defence.
    Done.
    From what i've read, I will print off, sign, then scan. This will then be emailed to CNBC@justice.gov.uk with the claim number as title. A acknowledgement email is expected too
  • Coupon-mad
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    "I will print off, sign, then scan."
     

    No.
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