CPZ being introduced to my street - question about visitors & dropkerbs

Mildly_Miffed

Cannonf said:

Selecting 'ward' & selecting my area & I FINALLY get a list of 3 names, yet they are :-
* Cabinet Member for Employment, Skills & Aspiration
* Cabinet Member for Co-Production
* Health Scrutiny Committee

None of which seem relevant to my problem

That makes no difference.

Just like government ministers, those cabinet members have two separate jobs.
1. Their portfolio.
2. Representing the residents of their constituency/ward.

All three of those ward councillors SHOULD be responsive to your issue. They are councillors first, cabinet members second.

sheramber

When a visitor arrives you take your car out , visitor parks there and you park over dropped kerb.  Simple.

Okell

Cannonf said:

Okell said:

Cannonf said:

Okell said:

Ask your local councillor?

I've sent email off to the council but although I got an auto reply they got it - have had no answer ..yet - been about 10days now...

My city council website gives individual mobile numbers for each councillor - doesn't yours?  

I'd telephone each of my local councillors rather than emailing the council

... Selecting 'ward' & selecting my area & I FINALLY get a list of 3 names, yet they are :-
* Cabinet Member for Employment, Skills & Aspiration
* Cabinet Member for Co-Production
* Health Scrutiny Committee

None of which seem relevant to my problem, so my choices are either phone these 3 to see they can help,  the other 50+ councillors in the hope they're the one or do the one email, which I've done

Guess I just have to be patient

So what? 

They are your councillors and they represent you.  It doesn't matter what secondary cabinet resposibilities they have.

That's how representatative democracy works.

Contact all 3 of them directly and ask them the question.

[Edit: and if you communicate by 'phone make sure you get written confirmation of their answers...]

HillStreetBlues

sheramber said:

When a visitor arrives you take your car out , visitor parks there and you park over dropped kerb.  Simple.

OP's issue in opening post is they sometimes have two visitors, the OP's car isn't even there.

sheramber

Since it has always been illegal to park over a dropped kerm where do these extra cars park at present?

Cannonf

sheramber said:

Since it has always been illegal to park over a dropped kerm where do these extra cars park at present?

Wherever they like.. usually those with 2 cars park one off-road & 1 on their cutout, those with 3 or more currently park the same as 2car owners but the extras either outside the 2 houses (on my end of the road) that don't have dropkerbs (these are the purposed cpz bays) or in the road across the trees that are between existing drop kerbs where there is just enough space as long as a car isn't parked on the drop kerb

In fact I've even seen one of the 3-4 car houseowners park their car off-road in their nextdoor neighbor front, cos they couldn't park where they usually do as another house was having a party with guests

sheramber

Cannonf said:

sheramber said:

Since it has always been illegal to park over a dropped kerm where do these extra cars park at present?

Wherever they like.. usually those with 2 cars park one off-road & 1 on their cutout, those with 3 or more currently park the same as 2car owners but the extras either outside the 2 houses (on my end of the road) that don't have dropkerbs (these are the purposed cpz bays) or in the road across the trees that are between existing drop kerbs where there is just enough space as long as a car isn't parked on the drop kerb

In fact I've even seen one of the 3-4 car houseowners park their car off-road in their nextdoor neighbor front, cos they couldn't park where they usually do as another house was having a party with guests

I mean your visitors’cars.

 Where do the visitor  and the hairdresser park when they visit?

Will these parking spots not still be available or are these spots now no parking areas?

Cannonf

sheramber said:

Cannonf said:

sheramber said:

Since it has always been illegal to park over a dropped kerm where do these extra cars park at present?

Wherever they like.. usually those with 2 cars park one off-road & 1 on their cutout, those with 3 or more currently park the same as 2car owners but the extras either outside the 2 houses (on my end of the road) that don't have dropkerbs (these are the purposed cpz bays) or in the road across the trees that are between existing drop kerbs where there is just enough space as long as a car isn't parked on the drop kerb

In fact I've even seen one of the 3-4 car houseowners park their car off-road in their nextdoor neighbor front, cos they couldn't park where they usually do as another house was having a party with guests

I mean your visitors’cars.

 Where do the visitor  and the hairdresser park when they visit?

Will these parking spots not still be available or are these spots now no parking areas?

As I said earlier. Usually arrangements are made for both to turn up when I'm on early shift. This means my car is NOT there off-road cos I'm in work during cpz hours

Usually visitors turn up first & park off-road where my car would be, & the hairdresser parks on my cutout 

- HOWEVER afaik when CPZ comes into effect there's no mention if visitors are STILL allowed to park on dropkerbs during cpz hours (they usually turn up sometimes between 10am-12), only that visitors MUST park in CPZ bays & visitor permits MUST be purchased for them to park IN THE BAYS - either when they turn up or pre purchased

(Due to fact my Mother is 80+ OAP & has trouble with anything 'technical', she even has trouble reading messages on mobile & NEVER gives debit card details over the phone, I would have to do any of the permit purchasing if neccessary - I would probably prepurchase a visitor permit if needed in this situation)

We would only have 3 available cpz bays near the house & currently most of the time 2 of those possible bays are constantly occupied during the cpz hours by neighbors with 3+cars (the 3rd bay is hit&miss sometimes there's a car sometimes there isn't)

There would be some cpz bays further down road but those may also be occupied by neighbour cars as not all houses have drop kerbs.I would take a rough guess that the top 1/3 of road (my area) mainly consists of 80/90% dropkerbs while the rest of road is about 50/50

What happens if I (have to) purchase a visitor permit & they turn up & there's no bays available ?
There's no refunds on unused residental/visitor permits (both are required to be allowed to park in bays during cpz hours)

What will happen if visitor park on dropkerbs like they usually do during cpz times without being registered with a permit ?
Are they parked 'illegally' ? or is this parking still 'allowed' regardless its now a cpz zone

All that is said on site is vehicles parked illegally in a cpz zone risk getting a penalty fine

All I'm trying to do is find out if anyone else has a similar situation & if so what they did/done.
I have never dealt with a cpz before & suprizingly know noone who already lives in an existing cpz to ask

Okell

Ask your local councillors!

You know who they are and you have their contact details.

What makes you think anybody here will know any more than they will?

Cannonf

Okell said:

Ask your local councillors!

You know who they are and you have their contact details.

What makes you think anybody here will know any more than they will?

I will probably will, once I'm not on night shift & usually asleep during 'normal office hours', although considering how much 'fun' I had last time I tried calling an official (the taxman) I don't have much confidence it'll be quick phone call

 however surely I'm not the first person to have this situation of being forced into a cpz, that has limited parking bays that could be pre occupied by neighbours when visitors turn up & yet while I have a dropkerb the only info about parking on these is if MY car is registered - nothing about visitors
 - so there might be (however slim) someone who has had the same  or similar experience that could offer some advice and THAT is why I thought there maybe might be someone here who'll know 

Hope that clears that comment up