Will this still class as a sanction

Goldenretrieversarelife

LightFlare said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

From the UC standpoint, you wouldn't be sanctioned if leaving for health reasons (mental health counts) BUT you would need to talk to your GP about it because you would need a fit note for UC in order to not be sanctioned.  Just so you know.

So if I resign then go and see my GP about my mental health and tell her that I've even left my job because of it which I should really do and get over my embarrassment of it I just feel like I'll look bad to other people if they know I've suffered mentally but I know I need to go anyway. But if I tell her and she gives me a sick note for my mental health then I won't get sanctioned? 

That's the idea, yes.

Hi , wanted to ask what proof exactly would I need to prove the UC that I quit my job due to mental health? As I have to give my decision to my employer on Monday so I'm going to hand my notice in then and I need to work my notice because I can't afford to live off Statutory Sick Pay which is a lot less than my salary. 

And I want to look for work when on UC I just want to prove that I left my job because of mental health reasons so how would I prove this if I haven't been off sick for it? So would a sick note still be plausible since I don't want to be off sick as I'd want to look for work while receiving treatment or would a letter from my GP confirming my mental health issues and detailing that it's led to be resigning from my job because enough? 

I would be slightly wary since as it stands - this isn’t true.

You are leaving voluntarily to avoid dismissal on poor performance for which you currently and retrospectively have no evidence as to the cause

As is stands, you have no formal medical diagnosis to match your claim - so it MAY not be able to be applied retrospectively.

It will most likely depend on if there are any specifics covering your scenario (sure someone will post if so) and whether they are applicable

But my poor performance is due to my mental health which I just haven't mentioned to my employer and haven't seeked help with I've just braved it out. 

powerspowers

UC sanctions are if you don’t have “good reason” to leave a job. It sounds like you have a case for why you can’t continue this job so you need to explain that to UC when you apply. If UC do sanction you, you have right to appeal and someone else looks at the decision.
 

Whilst we can’t predict whatUC will say, I think you are assuming you will be sanctioned when that isn’t an automatic position. 

The majority of UC sanctions are for not attending an appointment. Plenty of people leave their jobs for allsorts of reasons and make a claim with no issues. 

NedS

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Goldenretrieversarelife

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Hi , thanks for your reply. I have decided to resign as I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure. 

I'm unsure if the evidence I'll have for my mental health would be enough to not face a sanction as I'd only have my resignation letter and a GP letter. 

Is the 91 day sanction for anytime you claim UC ( if I did get sanctioned) or does it only apply for the first 91 days from when you resigned so for example I will have enough saved to live off for those 91 days / 3 months so could they still sanction me if I claim UC after 01 days since I left employment so if I applied on Day 100 since I resigned would a sanction still be a possibility? 

NedS

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Hi , thanks for your reply. I have decided to resign as I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure. 

I'm unsure if the evidence I'll have for my mental health would be enough to not face a sanction as I'd only have my resignation letter and a GP letter. 

Is the 91 day sanction for anytime you claim UC ( if I did get sanctioned) or does it only apply for the first 91 days from when you resigned so for example I will have enough saved to live off for those 91 days / 3 months so could they still sanction me if I claim UC after 01 days since I left employment so if I applied on Day 100 since I resigned would a sanction still be a possibility? 

Your evidence can also be collected verbally, when the work coach asks you for the reasons you left your job, but if you are giving health related reasons, it helps tremendously if you have also declared that health condition on your UC claim and have a GP fit note to support it (regardless of whether you want to have a work capability assessment down the line or not).

The 91 day sanction period starts the day after your last day of employment (i.e, on your first full day of unemployment), and no sanction would be applied if you have since started another job. Any sanction also cannot be applied whilst there are still earnings reported on your UC claim, so they have quite a narrow window to take action as often it takes a month for final earnings to come through on the system where people are paid monthly. So to answer your question, they could not sanction you if you waited 91 days before applying for UC.

But you should not delay in making your UC claim though, through presumption of being sanctioned. If you were to be sanctioned, you'd be no worse off, but if you were not to be sanctioned, you would potentially have lost out on 3 months of UC payments, so do not delay in making a claim for fear of a sanction for misconduct or leaving voluntarily.

Also, the sanctionable amount is only for the standard (personal) element, and you may still be able to receive help towards housing costs or child costs etc if these apply.

Goldenretrieversarelife

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Hi , thanks for your reply. I have decided to resign as I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure. 

I'm unsure if the evidence I'll have for my mental health would be enough to not face a sanction as I'd only have my resignation letter and a GP letter. 

Is the 91 day sanction for anytime you claim UC ( if I did get sanctioned) or does it only apply for the first 91 days from when you resigned so for example I will have enough saved to live off for those 91 days / 3 months so could they still sanction me if I claim UC after 01 days since I left employment so if I applied on Day 100 since I resigned would a sanction still be a possibility? 

Your evidence can also be collected verbally, when the work coach asks you for the reasons you left your job, but if you are giving health related reasons, it helps tremendously if you have also declared that health condition on your UC claim and have a GP fit note to support it (regardless of whether you want to have a work capability assessment down the line or not).

The 91 day sanction period starts the day after your last day of employment (i.e, on your first full day of unemployment), and no sanction would be applied if you have since started another job. Any sanction also cannot be applied whilst there are still earnings reported on your UC claim, so they have quite a narrow window to take action as often it takes a month for final earnings to come through on the system where people are paid monthly. So to answer your question, they could not sanction you if you waited 91 days before applying for UC.

But you should not delay in making your UC claim though, through presumption of being sanctioned. If you were to be sanctioned, you'd be no worse off, but if you were not to be sanctioned, you would potentially have lost out on 3 months of UC payments, so do not delay in making a claim for fear of a sanction for misconduct or leaving voluntarily.

Also, the sanctionable amount is only for the standard (personal) element, and you may still be able to receive help towards housing costs or child costs etc if these apply.

Thank you that's helped so much. I live with my mum and sister so I'd only be responsible for whatever non dependent deduction UC housing element would charge and I'd have enough saved to pay the 3 months rent I'd owe. The other bills I'm responsible for I'd also have enough saved for just over 3 months before I'd need UC anyway and I have no children.

I was just thinking if I leave it the 3 months before I apply I don't have to awnser to a work coach and I can take time out and see my GP and go for therapy again and its give me less stress if i dont have to worry about UC yet and can look for a job in my own time too. 

NedS

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Hi , thanks for your reply. I have decided to resign as I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure. 

I'm unsure if the evidence I'll have for my mental health would be enough to not face a sanction as I'd only have my resignation letter and a GP letter. 

Is the 91 day sanction for anytime you claim UC ( if I did get sanctioned) or does it only apply for the first 91 days from when you resigned so for example I will have enough saved to live off for those 91 days / 3 months so could they still sanction me if I claim UC after 01 days since I left employment so if I applied on Day 100 since I resigned would a sanction still be a possibility? 

Your evidence can also be collected verbally, when the work coach asks you for the reasons you left your job, but if you are giving health related reasons, it helps tremendously if you have also declared that health condition on your UC claim and have a GP fit note to support it (regardless of whether you want to have a work capability assessment down the line or not).

The 91 day sanction period starts the day after your last day of employment (i.e, on your first full day of unemployment), and no sanction would be applied if you have since started another job. Any sanction also cannot be applied whilst there are still earnings reported on your UC claim, so they have quite a narrow window to take action as often it takes a month for final earnings to come through on the system where people are paid monthly. So to answer your question, they could not sanction you if you waited 91 days before applying for UC.

But you should not delay in making your UC claim though, through presumption of being sanctioned. If you were to be sanctioned, you'd be no worse off, but if you were not to be sanctioned, you would potentially have lost out on 3 months of UC payments, so do not delay in making a claim for fear of a sanction for misconduct or leaving voluntarily.

Also, the sanctionable amount is only for the standard (personal) element, and you may still be able to receive help towards housing costs or child costs etc if these apply.

Thank you that's helped so much. I live with my mum and sister so I'd only be responsible for whatever non dependent deduction UC housing element would charge and I'd have enough saved to pay the 3 months rent I'd owe. The other bills I'm responsible for I'd also have enough saved for just over 3 months before I'd need UC anyway and I have no children.

I was just thinking if I leave it the 3 months before I apply I don't have to awnser to a work coach and I can take time out and see my GP and go for therapy again and its give me less stress if i dont have to worry about UC yet and can look for a job in my own time too. 

Yes, I get that, and that's your choice for you to decide

Goldenretrieversarelife

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Hi , thanks for your reply. I have decided to resign as I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure. 

I'm unsure if the evidence I'll have for my mental health would be enough to not face a sanction as I'd only have my resignation letter and a GP letter. 

Is the 91 day sanction for anytime you claim UC ( if I did get sanctioned) or does it only apply for the first 91 days from when you resigned so for example I will have enough saved to live off for those 91 days / 3 months so could they still sanction me if I claim UC after 01 days since I left employment so if I applied on Day 100 since I resigned would a sanction still be a possibility? 

Your evidence can also be collected verbally, when the work coach asks you for the reasons you left your job, but if you are giving health related reasons, it helps tremendously if you have also declared that health condition on your UC claim and have a GP fit note to support it (regardless of whether you want to have a work capability assessment down the line or not).

The 91 day sanction period starts the day after your last day of employment (i.e, on your first full day of unemployment), and no sanction would be applied if you have since started another job. Any sanction also cannot be applied whilst there are still earnings reported on your UC claim, so they have quite a narrow window to take action as often it takes a month for final earnings to come through on the system where people are paid monthly. So to answer your question, they could not sanction you if you waited 91 days before applying for UC.

But you should not delay in making your UC claim though, through presumption of being sanctioned. If you were to be sanctioned, you'd be no worse off, but if you were not to be sanctioned, you would potentially have lost out on 3 months of UC payments, so do not delay in making a claim for fear of a sanction for misconduct or leaving voluntarily.

Also, the sanctionable amount is only for the standard (personal) element, and you may still be able to receive help towards housing costs or child costs etc if these apply.

Thank you that's helped so much. I live with my mum and sister so I'd only be responsible for whatever non dependent deduction UC housing element would charge and I'd have enough saved to pay the 3 months rent I'd owe. The other bills I'm responsible for I'd also have enough saved for just over 3 months before I'd need UC anyway and I have no children.

I was just thinking if I leave it the 3 months before I apply I don't have to awnser to a work coach and I can take time out and see my GP and go for therapy again and its give me less stress if i dont have to worry about UC yet and can look for a job in my own time too. 

Yes, I get that, and that's your choice for you to decide

Thanks , yes I just feel after this job I need time out to re start myself and recover mentally. 

I can't find anything either on not being sanctioned 91 days after resigning DWP certainly don't make things clear.  I did however find a post by  @Spoonie_Turtle on another thread saying the same thing that if you resignation happed 91 days before applying for UC then no sanction. 

Either way I know I'm making the right decision for me and I hope I find another job or preferably an apprenticeship before I even need UC. 

Spoonie_Turtle

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Hi , thanks for your reply. I have decided to resign as I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure. 

I'm unsure if the evidence I'll have for my mental health would be enough to not face a sanction as I'd only have my resignation letter and a GP letter. 

Is the 91 day sanction for anytime you claim UC ( if I did get sanctioned) or does it only apply for the first 91 days from when you resigned so for example I will have enough saved to live off for those 91 days / 3 months so could they still sanction me if I claim UC after 01 days since I left employment so if I applied on Day 100 since I resigned would a sanction still be a possibility? 

Your evidence can also be collected verbally, when the work coach asks you for the reasons you left your job, but if you are giving health related reasons, it helps tremendously if you have also declared that health condition on your UC claim and have a GP fit note to support it (regardless of whether you want to have a work capability assessment down the line or not).

The 91 day sanction period starts the day after your last day of employment (i.e, on your first full day of unemployment), and no sanction would be applied if you have since started another job. Any sanction also cannot be applied whilst there are still earnings reported on your UC claim, so they have quite a narrow window to take action as often it takes a month for final earnings to come through on the system where people are paid monthly. So to answer your question, they could not sanction you if you waited 91 days before applying for UC.

But you should not delay in making your UC claim though, through presumption of being sanctioned. If you were to be sanctioned, you'd be no worse off, but if you were not to be sanctioned, you would potentially have lost out on 3 months of UC payments, so do not delay in making a claim for fear of a sanction for misconduct or leaving voluntarily.

Also, the sanctionable amount is only for the standard (personal) element, and you may still be able to receive help towards housing costs or child costs etc if these apply.

Thank you that's helped so much. I live with my mum and sister so I'd only be responsible for whatever non dependent deduction UC housing element would charge and I'd have enough saved to pay the 3 months rent I'd owe. The other bills I'm responsible for I'd also have enough saved for just over 3 months before I'd need UC anyway and I have no children.

I was just thinking if I leave it the 3 months before I apply I don't have to awnser to a work coach and I can take time out and see my GP and go for therapy again and its give me less stress if i dont have to worry about UC yet and can look for a job in my own time too. 

Yes, I get that, and that's your choice for you to decide

Thanks , yes I just feel after this job I need time out to re start myself and recover mentally. 

I can't find anything either on not being sanctioned 91 days after resigning DWP certainly don't make things clear.  I did however find a post by  @Spoonie_Turtle on another thread saying the same thing that if you resignation happed 91 days before applying for UC then no sanction. 

Either way I know I'm making the right decision for me and I hope I find another job or preferably an apprenticeship before I even need UC. 

Just to bring this to a close and reassure you, it's in ADM Chapter K3:

"Reduction period for a pre-claim failure
K3026 Where the sanctionable failure is a pre-claim failure (see K3024) the reduction period is reduced by the number of days between the date of the day
1. after the date of the sanctionable failure and
2. before the date of the claim to UC"

Followed by some worked examples to show that the sanction is indeed classed as being from the date of the 'failure' rather than the date of opening the UC claim.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65fd49f9f1d3a0001d32ad8e/admk3.pdf

So I guess applying 93? days after resignation if you need to claim UC by then would ensure you are clear of any hassle, if you decide not to claim just yet.


[Also thanks NedS for giving the OP detailed information based on experience and reality for them to be able to make their decision.  It's one thing understanding the theory of what should happen but people like you sharing what you know based on experience is invaluable and irreplaceable.]

Goldenretrieversarelife

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

NedS said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hi 

I have been told by my employer that my performance is poor which I agree with and she gave me 2 options either go through a disciplinary procedure or resign. 

I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure because it will be too much stress and I know I can't improve my performance as I do want to leave and it is for misconduct not anything serious but because I put someone at work at risk by honest mistake and in my contract it clearly states that if I'm dismissed because of misconduct I will loose my notice period and pay so I'm not going option 1. 

If you are dismissed for misconduct then you will receive a 3 month sanction on UC. There is no consideration of good reason for misconduct - you either committed misconduct and were dismissed (sanction applies), or you didn't. It is not relevant to a UC decision maker whether it was an honest mistake or not, as they cannot take this into consideration when making their decision.

If you leave voluntarily, then good reason can be considered (e.g, your mental health), but do not mention you would likely have been dismissed for misconduct had you not left voluntarily.

I cannot advise you what you should do, but I can at least make you aware of the above.

Hi , thanks for your reply. I have decided to resign as I don't want to go through a disciplinary procedure. 

I'm unsure if the evidence I'll have for my mental health would be enough to not face a sanction as I'd only have my resignation letter and a GP letter. 

Is the 91 day sanction for anytime you claim UC ( if I did get sanctioned) or does it only apply for the first 91 days from when you resigned so for example I will have enough saved to live off for those 91 days / 3 months so could they still sanction me if I claim UC after 01 days since I left employment so if I applied on Day 100 since I resigned would a sanction still be a possibility? 

Your evidence can also be collected verbally, when the work coach asks you for the reasons you left your job, but if you are giving health related reasons, it helps tremendously if you have also declared that health condition on your UC claim and have a GP fit note to support it (regardless of whether you want to have a work capability assessment down the line or not).

The 91 day sanction period starts the day after your last day of employment (i.e, on your first full day of unemployment), and no sanction would be applied if you have since started another job. Any sanction also cannot be applied whilst there are still earnings reported on your UC claim, so they have quite a narrow window to take action as often it takes a month for final earnings to come through on the system where people are paid monthly. So to answer your question, they could not sanction you if you waited 91 days before applying for UC.

But you should not delay in making your UC claim though, through presumption of being sanctioned. If you were to be sanctioned, you'd be no worse off, but if you were not to be sanctioned, you would potentially have lost out on 3 months of UC payments, so do not delay in making a claim for fear of a sanction for misconduct or leaving voluntarily.

Also, the sanctionable amount is only for the standard (personal) element, and you may still be able to receive help towards housing costs or child costs etc if these apply.

Thank you that's helped so much. I live with my mum and sister so I'd only be responsible for whatever non dependent deduction UC housing element would charge and I'd have enough saved to pay the 3 months rent I'd owe. The other bills I'm responsible for I'd also have enough saved for just over 3 months before I'd need UC anyway and I have no children.

I was just thinking if I leave it the 3 months before I apply I don't have to awnser to a work coach and I can take time out and see my GP and go for therapy again and its give me less stress if i dont have to worry about UC yet and can look for a job in my own time too. 

Yes, I get that, and that's your choice for you to decide

Thanks , yes I just feel after this job I need time out to re start myself and recover mentally. 

I can't find anything either on not being sanctioned 91 days after resigning DWP certainly don't make things clear.  I did however find a post by  @Spoonie_Turtle on another thread saying the same thing that if you resignation happed 91 days before applying for UC then no sanction. 

Either way I know I'm making the right decision for me and I hope I find another job or preferably an apprenticeship before I even need UC. 

Just to bring this to a close and reassure you, it's in ADM Chapter K3:

"Reduction period for a pre-claim failure
K3026 Where the sanctionable failure is a pre-claim failure (see K3024) the reduction period is reduced by the number of days between the date of the day
1. after the date of the sanctionable failure and
2. before the date of the claim to UC"

Followed by some worked examples to show that the sanction is indeed classed as being from the date of the 'failure' rather than the date of opening the UC claim.

So I guess applying 93? days after resignation if you need to claim UC by then would ensure you are clear of any hassle, if you decide not to claim just yet.


[Also thanks NedS for giving the OP detailed information based on experience and reality for them to be able to make their decision.  It's one thing understanding the theory of what should happen but people like you sharing what you know based on experience is invaluable and irreplaceable.]

Thank you , I wanted something that stated it because I don't trust the DWP. 

This has put an end to my need for advice now and I thank every single one of you for helping me and taking the time to help me especially @NedS @spoonie_Turtle @Hoenir and @HillStreetblues .

I just need to hope now that I can find a job in the next 3 months so I don't need UC.