Will this still class as a sanction

Goldenretrieversarelife

Newcad said:

Sorry but I can't say what may be the best way forward for yourself.

For me it was to engage with their "Allowances and Adaptations" process (which had no real allowances other than very short term).

Even then their final 'assessment' (done by Atos) found that I was incapable of regular work (funny that, I'd had the same conditions in the same job for the past 11 years - Oh yeah, the Atos WCA for the DWP found me Fit-for-Work. As you may imagine it wasn't very funny at the time).

I don't want to have a WCA as I want to look for work but I know that one reason that is acceptable so I don't get sanctioned if I resign is health issues so I just want to prove to them that I left my employment because of mental health issues that are being dealt with ( I'll be asking to go back for therapy because that helped me last time I had depression after a loss in the family) so maybe just a letter from my GP to confirm what I say about my mental health and if I put in my resignation letter that I'm leaving due to my mental health. 

Goldenretrieversarelife

HillStreetBlues said:

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

Forgot to ask do you think it's better someone resigns them have on there reference they were let go due to a disciplinary procedure? 

Hoenir

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

HillStreetBlues said:

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

Forgot to ask do you think it's better someone resigns them have on there reference they were let go due to a disciplinary procedure? 

Employers generally aren't obliged to provide a reference even if requested for one. This can be just as telling for a new employer. Where employers do provide a reference they must be fair and accurate.  

Ideally you need to exit this role on the best terms you are able. No one is going to think any worse of you if you openly admit to not enjoying the role. Might even lift a weight off your mind. Serve out your notice period in a better frame of mind. Allow your employer to see more of the real you. People making difficult decisions in business , are human too. I've made numerous people redundant over the years. It's what I was paid to do. Survival of the entire business came first. Didn't mean that I had no thought for the individual's losing their jobs and their future lives. 

Goldenretrieversarelife

Hoenir said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

HillStreetBlues said:

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

Forgot to ask do you think it's better someone resigns them have on there reference they were let go due to a disciplinary procedure? 

Employers generally aren't obliged to provide a reference even if requested for one. This can be just as telling for a new employer. Where employers do provide a reference they must be fair and accurate.  

Ideally you need to exit this role on the best terms you are able. No one is going to think any worse of you if you openly admit to not enjoying the role. Might even lift a weight off your mind. Serve out your notice period in a better frame of mind. Allow your employer to see more of the real you. People making difficult decisions in business , are human too. I've made numerous people redundant over the years. It's what I was paid to do. Survival of the entire business came first. Didn't mean that I had no thought for the individual's losing their jobs and their future lives. 

She has told me already I'll get a reference and was one of the reasons she said to resign so it'll look better to future employers because if I resign she won't have to put about being dismissed after a disciplinary procedure and instead I'll get a good reference. Currently I'm on good terms with her and she is normally very understanding and she's good at listening. 

Hoenir

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Hoenir said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

HillStreetBlues said:

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

Forgot to ask do you think it's better someone resigns them have on there reference they were let go due to a disciplinary procedure? 

Employers generally aren't obliged to provide a reference even if requested for one. This can be just as telling for a new employer. Where employers do provide a reference they must be fair and accurate.  

Ideally you need to exit this role on the best terms you are able. No one is going to think any worse of you if you openly admit to not enjoying the role. Might even lift a weight off your mind. Serve out your notice period in a better frame of mind. Allow your employer to see more of the real you. People making difficult decisions in business , are human too. I've made numerous people redundant over the years. It's what I was paid to do. Survival of the entire business came first. Didn't mean that I had no thought for the individual's losing their jobs and their future lives. 

She has told me already I'll get a reference and was one of the reasons she said to resign so it'll look better to future employers because if I resign she won't have to put about being dismissed after a disciplinary procedure and instead I'll get a good reference. Currently I'm on good terms with her and she is normally very understanding and she's good at listening. 

Focus on the future then. New beginning. New start. No baggage. 

Spoonie_Turtle

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

From the UC standpoint, you wouldn't be sanctioned if leaving for health reasons (mental health counts) BUT you would need to talk to your GP about it because you would need a fit note for UC in order to not be sanctioned.  Just so you know.

So if I resign then go and see my GP about my mental health and tell her that I've even left my job because of it which I should really do and get over my embarrassment of it I just feel like I'll look bad to other people if they know I've suffered mentally but I know I need to go anyway. But if I tell her and she gives me a sick note for my mental health then I won't get sanctioned? 

That's the idea, yes.

HillStreetBlues

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

HillStreetBlues said:

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

Forgot to ask do you think it's better someone resigns them have on there reference they were let go due to a disciplinary procedure? 

Personally yes. I would see it as you chose to leave, there can be a number of reasons for that. You can honestly state you left because the job wasn't suitable. I think that's better than having to honestly answer I was sacked due to my performance was poor.

Goldenretrieversarelife

HillStreetBlues said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

HillStreetBlues said:

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

Forgot to ask do you think it's better someone resigns them have on there reference they were let go due to a disciplinary procedure? 

Personally yes. I would see it as you chose to leave, there can be a number of reasons for that. You can honestly state you left because the job wasn't suitable. I think that's better than having to honestly answer I was sacked due to my performance was poor.

Thanks after everyone's advice I am going to resign and see my GP and finally face my mental health issues and then look for an apprenticeship once I know what area I'd like to retrain in and like @Hoenir said fresh start , no baggage. 

Goldenretrieversarelife

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

From the UC standpoint, you wouldn't be sanctioned if leaving for health reasons (mental health counts) BUT you would need to talk to your GP about it because you would need a fit note for UC in order to not be sanctioned.  Just so you know.

So if I resign then go and see my GP about my mental health and tell her that I've even left my job because of it which I should really do and get over my embarrassment of it I just feel like I'll look bad to other people if they know I've suffered mentally but I know I need to go anyway. But if I tell her and she gives me a sick note for my mental health then I won't get sanctioned? 

That's the idea, yes.

Hi , wanted to ask what proof exactly would I need to prove the UC that I quit my job due to mental health? As I have to give my decision to my employer on Monday so I'm going to hand my notice in then and I need to work my notice because I can't afford to live off Statutory Sick Pay which is a lot less than my salary. 

And I want to look for work when on UC I just want to prove that I left my job because of mental health reasons so how would I prove this if I haven't been off sick for it? So would a sick note still be plausible since I don't want to be off sick as I'd want to look for work while receiving treatment or would a letter from my GP confirming my mental health issues and detailing that it's led to be resigning from my job because enough? 

LightFlare

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Goldenretrieversarelife said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

From the UC standpoint, you wouldn't be sanctioned if leaving for health reasons (mental health counts) BUT you would need to talk to your GP about it because you would need a fit note for UC in order to not be sanctioned.  Just so you know.

So if I resign then go and see my GP about my mental health and tell her that I've even left my job because of it which I should really do and get over my embarrassment of it I just feel like I'll look bad to other people if they know I've suffered mentally but I know I need to go anyway. But if I tell her and she gives me a sick note for my mental health then I won't get sanctioned? 

That's the idea, yes.

Hi , wanted to ask what proof exactly would I need to prove the UC that I quit my job due to mental health? As I have to give my decision to my employer on Monday so I'm going to hand my notice in then and I need to work my notice because I can't afford to live off Statutory Sick Pay which is a lot less than my salary. 

And I want to look for work when on UC I just want to prove that I left my job because of mental health reasons so how would I prove this if I haven't been off sick for it? So would a sick note still be plausible since I don't want to be off sick as I'd want to look for work while receiving treatment or would a letter from my GP confirming my mental health issues and detailing that it's led to be resigning from my job because enough? 

I would be slightly wary since as it stands - this isn’t true.

You are leaving voluntarily to avoid dismissal on poor performance for which you currently and retrospectively have no evidence as to the cause

As is stands, you have no formal medical diagnosis to match your claim - so it MAY not be able to be applied retrospectively.

It will most likely depend on if there are any specifics covering your scenario (sure someone will post if so) and whether they are applicable

There is a strong case for taking the dismissal since that will if anything strengthen your position and allow you to properly reflect and address any MH issues you do have and how to manage them in future endeavours