Will this still class as a sanction

Goldenretrieversarelife

@400ixl I've also been thinking and I do want to leave as I hate it here and just want to move on to somewhere else I'd actually like to do an apprenticeship and retrain in something I really want to do but if the disciplinary is the better option then I suppose I should do that it's just I don't know how long it will take and I just want to never have to go back again.  I will have enough money to last me those 3 months I'll be sanctioned if I resign but it would obviously be better if I wasn't. And there's the fact she mentioned an incident were I had failed to safeguard a child even though it was a honest mistake but she never stated if it's due to misconduct or just my poor performance for the disciplinary procedure and if it's misconduct then I'll still be sanctioned on Universal credit and get no notice or pay because it states in my contract that if you get dismissed because of misconduct you get no notice. Which would be worser than resigning because then I'll get no final pay and no Universal credit for 3 months. 

HillStreetBlues

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

Goldenretrieversarelife

HillStreetBlues said:

400ixl said:

Least optimal is to resign as you still have to explain it to future employers but also will affect your ability to claim benefits I assume. Jumping before being pushed is not a good reason.

You need to make them do the firing, not resign. Only resign if you have another job to walk into.

I disagree, many people don't want to put "I got sacked" on their CV because of the implications it gives, I chose to leave can be taken many other ways.

I don't see what's so wrong with resigning if I really hate it and want to leave and try to find an apprenticeship to retrain in something I actually want to do and will enjoy. 

And she's already said that if I do the disciplinary procedure it will be on my reference she just won't disclose what the disciplinary is for unless I try to get a job with kids which I won't I want to work in a complete to new field 

Spoonie_Turtle

From the UC standpoint, you wouldn't be sanctioned if leaving for health reasons (mental health counts) BUT you would need to talk to your GP about it because you would need a fit note for UC in order to not be sanctioned.  Just so you know.

Goldenretrieversarelife

Spoonie_Turtle said:

From the UC standpoint, you wouldn't be sanctioned if leaving for health reasons (mental health counts) BUT you would need to talk to your GP about it because you would need a fit note for UC in order to not be sanctioned.  Just so you know.

So if I resign then go and see my GP about my mental health and tell her that I've even left my job because of it which I should really do and get over my embarrassment of it I just feel like I'll look bad to other people if they know I've suffered mentally but I know I need to go anyway. But if I tell her and she gives me a sick note for my mental health then I won't get sanctioned? 

Newcad

Having been through a dismisal on health grounds myself I'd just like to point out that anything and everything that your employer says to you in such a situation is meant to make things easier for them not you.

They will try to make out it's also the best for you but they are not interested in the slightest about how it will affect you or your finances - they just want you gone now without having to go through the full process of a health related dismissal.

In other words what they should be saying is:- "If you resign now it's much easier (and cheaper) for us, which is want we want because we don't care about what happens to you".

Hoenir

Newcad said:

In other words what they should be saying is:- "If you resign now it's much easier and cheaper for us, which is want we want because we don't care".

That's rather strong. Considering the OP's early comments in the thread. The relationship isn't working for either party. That's the nature of employment sometimes. Finding a suitable vocation in life can take a while. Given work in the main is a neccessity for people. Enjoying what you do to get paid , day in day out is of primary importance. 

Goldenretrieversarelife

Newcad said:

Having been through a dismisal on health grounds myself I'd just like to point out that anything and everything that your employer says to you in such a situation is meant to make things easier for them not you.

They will try to make out it's also the best for you but they are not interested in the slightest about how it will affect you or your finances - they just want you gone now without having to go through the full process of a health related dismissal.

In other words what they should be saying is:- "If you resign now it's much easier (and cheaper) for us, which is want we want because we don't care about what happens to you".

She seems genuine but your right she just wants me gone. What would your advice be then as I don't really want to go through disciplinary and I was thinking of resigning but going to my gp to get a sick note to prove I left for mental health reasons and was going to inform my employer about the issues I've been having and state in my resignation letter that I'm resigning for health reasons. 

Goldenretrieversarelife

Hoenir said:

Newcad said:

In other words what they should be saying is:- "If you resign now it's much easier and cheaper for us, which is want we want because we don't care".

That's rather strong. Considering the OP's early comments in the thread. The relationship isn't working for either party. That's the nature of employment sometimes. Finding a suitable vocation in life can take a while. Given work in the main is a neccessity for people. Enjoying what you do day in day out is of primary importance. 

She's always been a good boss to me and I've never had an issue with her it's just the job isn't working out for and my performance dipped as soon as I stated to hate it but I held on for months and my mental health was then impacted but I kept ignoring it telling myself I can do this but I know deep down I can't and I don't want to anymore. 

Newcad

Sorry but I can't say what may be the best way forward for yourself.

I cannot judge if your mental health is up to a dispute or not.

For me it was to engage with their "Allowances and Adaptations" process (which had no real allowances other than very short term. It was just 'lip service' to do rhe minimum they had to before firing off someone with ill health. Designed to fail seems an appropriate description).

Even then their final 'Health capabilty assessment' (done by Atos) found that I was incapable of regular work (funny that, I'd had the same conditions in the same job for the past 11 years, it was only the management that had changed - Oh yeah, after they dismissed me the Atos Work Capability Assessment done for the DWP found me Fit-for-Work. As you may imagine it wasn't very funny at the time).