Pre diabetic cereals

DullGreyGuy

lr1277 said:

For breakfast you could have the protein parts of a full English plus baked beans (depending on your other health goals). Avoid the bread/toast, hash browns etc. Remember some commercial baked beans have a lot of sugar in the tomato sauce.

Obviously depends on how low carb you are aiming for but things like sausages and black pudding can have relatively high levels of cereal and therefore carbs. 

maman said:
As Emmia says if you want low carb you could have eggs or fruit with sugar free yoghurt or anything without the carbs.

Fruit you have to be selective with, fresh dates for example is 31g of carbs per 100g whereas raspberries are 4.7g. Berries in general are relatively low with the notable exception of blueberries. 

spurdog1 said:

Am recommended to eat low carb, but the labelling is confusing.
I hav dropped kellogs due to high sugar, are shreddies shredded wheat and  alpen ok?

How is it confusing? Basic low carb just look at the packet label and you will see carbs per 100g and carbs per suggested serving. There are plenty of online tools to look at for fresh fruit/veg etc that doesn't come in a packet. Ignore any of the marketing on the front, they're highlighting the bits they want you to know rather than the bits you need to know

If you are going to get really strict with it you need scales because their idea of a suggested serving and your idea of one may be very different and you may think you'll treat yourself to something and then have double what you think you're getting. 

The classic example was sugar free tictacs in the US, they were 99.5% sugar/carbs but US packaging law says if something is under 0.5g per serving it can be labelled as sugar free, their suggested serving was 1 tic tac which is just under 1g and so despite almost pure sugar it can carry the label. 

spurdog1

some wonderful advice here, thanks all for sparing the time (considerable time, for some).

 I am on skimmed milk (I should have mentioned), so that should have been a plus, but it sounds cereal is going out the window, even though i only have it "once weekly". (I was trying to keep the topic "to the point")

I mainly have toast on oaty farmhouse loaves.

Sounds like porridge is the way forward.

FlorayG

spurdog1 said:

some wonderful advice here, thanks all for sparing the time (considerable time, for some).

 I am on skimmed milk (I should have mentioned), so that should have been a plus, but it sounds cereal is going out the window, even though i only have it "once weekly". (I was trying to keep the topic "to the point")

I mainly have toast on oaty farmhouse loaves.

Sounds like porridge is the way forward.

Seems from this that you really are uninformed and they should have given you more advice; skimmed milk has the same carb count as full fat milk so you should be using full fat milk for the increased fat content you need on a low carb diet
Half a litre of  milk has 25 carbs (and you have to account for the milk you put in your tea and coffee all day as well)
Bread you're looking at 20g carbs per thin slice
40g of porridge oats has 25g carbs 
see how it quickly adds up to over 100g?

spurdog1

WalshSall said:

Sounds like you like a sweet breakfast, like me! How about making chia seed pots the night before? I was a big cereal/porridge eater and have recently started making them, they are so easy and nice!

Ha ha! Just a "traditional cereal man, that has adapted to "mainly toast". It does feel that fruit and yoghurt seems in-substantial (I do love the crust off a loaf). Do you remember what i think is a cottage loaf? a round large bun, with a small one on top-about fist sized. (A bit like granny did her hair). Take the small one and smother it with butter....ahhh them were the days.

jackieblack

I've found this a very useful comparison guide and helping to choose lower carb options
(scroll down to find the visual guides)
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/visual-guides

Emmia

spurdog1 said:

some wonderful advice here, thanks all for sparing the time (considerable time, for some).

 I am on skimmed milk (I should have mentioned), so that should have been a plus, but it sounds cereal is going out the window, even though i only have it "once weekly". (I was trying to keep the topic "to the point")

I mainly have toast on oaty farmhouse loaves.

Sounds like porridge is the way forward.

I think if you're going to successfully go low carb for pre-diabetes reasons, you're going to need to rethink your entire diet and way of eating. Out with the skim and in with the gold top (or cream which is low carb)

Porridge is unlikely to be the way forward. 

jackieblack

spurdog1 said:

WalshSall said:

Sounds like you like a sweet breakfast, like me! How about making chia seed pots the night before? I was a big cereal/porridge eater and have recently started making them, they are so easy and nice!

Ha ha! Just a "traditional cereal man, that has adapted to "mainly toast". It does feel that fruit and yoghurt seems in-substantial (I do love the crust off a loaf). Do you remember what i think is a cottage loaf? a round large bun, with a small one on top-about fist sized. (A bit like granny did her hair). Take the small one and smother it with butter....ahhh them were the days.

Well the butter is fine 😁 

The fat in 5% fat greek yogurt is more filling than you'd think, and the fibre in the fruit keeps you feeling full for longer.

I miss potatoes most, but I remind myself that I'd miss eyesight and feet more... 

lr1277

I am convinced dietary fibre is a necessary component of a diet. I urge you to have some high fibre foods.

So porridge is a way forward, Yes somewhat high in carbs but also high in fibre. Breakfast for some people is made up of grains. So wheat, barley and oats are all grains and I think all of them could be made into some kind of breakfast dish.

However there are also seeds i.e quinoa. These can sometimes replace grains. Google recipes for quinoa porridge. There is another seed I think can be made into a porridge, but for the life of me I cannot remember its name.

So back on the fibre component, one meal might be a steak and boiled veg/salad. Some fibre yes but depending on how is made, potentially very low carb. But you could throw some lentils at that meal, get some carbs and have some useful fibre. So slightly more carbs but feeding your gut in addition to feeding yourself. Suggest you google the following phrase:

benefits of legumes to diabetic patients

Spoonie_Turtle

Sainsbury's low sugar granola has about the same carbs as porridge - oats not wheat, no added sugar so it's ~3g sugar per 100g, and you can add things like chia seeds for extra nutrition.  There are two kinds, berry and nuts, I mix the two together.

(It's not as money-saving as porridge though.  The granola used to be relatively cheap and now it's not.)

lr1277

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Sainsbury's low sugar granola has about the same carbs as porridge - oats not wheat, no added sugar so it's ~3g sugar per 100g, and you can add things like chia seeds for extra nutrition.  There are two kinds, berry and nuts, I mix the two together.

(It's not as money-saving as porridge though.  The granola used to be relatively cheap and now it's not.)

While this product may work for you, I ask you to consider the total carbohydrate content either per serving or per 100g.

This is because all carbohydrates (including 'sugar') are broken down into simple sugars in the gut. They all affect the blood sugar level. Fibre is a carbohydrate but as it is not broken down in the gut to be absorbed by the body, you don't need to consider it in terms of your blood sugar levels directly. Yes your gut biome needs fibre but you don't.

I am not sure which Sainsburys product you are talking about, but let's say you are talking about the Berry Low Sugar Granola.

https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-berry-low-sugar-granola-500g 

The nutrition for this per 100g is 60.9g carbohydrate and 8.3g of fibre. Cost £2.40 for 500g.

Let's say you choose Sainsburys Scottish Porridge Oats:

https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-scottish-porridge-oats-1kg 

The nutrition per 100g is 60.5g of carbs and 8.3g of fibre. Cost £1.25 for 1Kg.

So the carb content is almost the same and the fibre is exactly the same. But the porridge oats are much cheaper.

The reason I am harping on about this is that I am on insulin and have to take insulin before each meal. This means I look at the carbohydrate content of a meal to decide how much insulin I need to inject before the meal.