PCM Moorside court claim received (Merged)

Coupon-mad

You do realise:

- your FIRST POINT is the Chan & Akande argument (the claim fails Part 16 so under the Civil Procedure Rules, it MUST be struck out) which you MUST read and understand and raise as a preliminary matter.

That means BEFORE even letting the rep speak about the Claimant's case. Tell the judge you have a 'preliminary matter' to raise. Point them to the two persuasive appeal judgments of Chan & Akande. Have printed copies of both judgments in your hand.

- If the judge disagrees with that, let the hearing proceed (Claimant's rep speaks first) then you can say that "picking up passengers isn't parking". That's a fact of parking law. You can even legitimately pick up or set down passengers on council double yellows.

This is NOT and never has been 'parking':

I went to collect my father from the train station.  There is a small layby area behind, which has a Tesco Express etc, which only allows parking in specified bays.  I went into it, realised there was no parking, and did a 3 point turn to get out.  As I completed the turn, my father appeared and he got in the car.  I then proceeded to notice a parking attendant taking a picture of the car, and I drove off.
This literally occurred in the space of 1 minute or less.

That is your main defence.

Even the Government agrees in their definition of a parking period in the Statutory Code which is currently revived and at public consultation stage. Did you look at the definition of a parking period according to the Government? LOOK WHAT IT EXCLUDES! Show the Judge.

Sounds like you need to re-read your defence and WS and be more familiar with the main arguments in your defence. Nobody here is saying you have to be a legal eagle but you can't just rock up not knowing what to say when. You MUST know your case arguments. Do a bullet point 'crib sheet' to focus yourself.

Also say that you didn't see any signs because you weren't parked.

Take printed copies of their and your WS and exhibits. And your defence AND take the claim form (as that is the crux of their initial pleading that fails Part 16). They can't rescue an improperly pleaded claim by adding more detail in their WS!

Get a receipt for the printing.

Ask for your costs for that and attending.

Gr1pr

befree16 said:

Le_Kirk said:

befree16 said:

Could anyone give me a heads up as to what I need prepped when going in?  Do I need to know the cases used in my defence and WS quite thoroughly?  Will I be questioned on these?

Read and know your defence, witness statement and evidence inside out, make yourself a crib sheet so that, if/when, you are given a chance by the judge to talk, you can make sure you get across ALL your points.  Make sure your crib sheet contains pointers from your WS to the evidence page and paragraph. Be there early in case the cases in front of you move up the queue and also to allow time for security checks etc.  Do not allow yourself to be sidetracked into a room so that a well-dressed lawyerly type can "have a few words".  Do not accept any bits of paper.  Have a spare copy of your witness statement in case the claimant tries the "we did not receive the defendant's WS" trick!  Be polite and do not talk over the judge, address the judge as "Judge" even if a lady judge and finally - good luck.  Don't forget, when you win, to ask for your costs.

flowercuppatea used this advice and WON

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81580928/#Comment_81580928

I just read the post by flowercuppatea.  Whilst they reiterate to do your homework, their case was completely different to mine, and was obvious they would win.

I am wondering how solid mine is based on the face Moorside have decided to pursue it until the end.  I guess this is second guessing coming into play.  At the end of the day, it was a no parking area (albeit signage was not seen by me and highlighted as possibly poorly visible by parked cars and pedestrians as an exhibit), and although I wasn't parked, they have a pic of someone getting into my car.  

And I hope the judge does not ask me too many questions.  I am no legal scholar!

I will focus on a main few arguments of mine but do not think I can have everything full understood/able to answer.

Also, is it possible to bring new factors into the hearing, which weren't necessarily included in my witness statement?  

Thanks

No 2 cases are the same,  but it's better to understand a few others and what happened,  which should assist you with your own, I live and learn daily by studying these various cases

Judges don't expect a Litigant in Person to be a scholar,  just listen and only speak when you have to,  but do understand your main arguments like CM says above 

You cannot introduce new evidence,  but you can focus on the submissions and exhibits already entered

Sometimes people put in a supplementary WS etc, but the judge could disallow it,  deadlines are deadlines 

Don't overthink this,  but do understand your main defence,  main case points

befree16

Hi All,

I arrived at the courtroom 1 hr early, suited and booted.

Prepped with my defence, witness statement, exhibits and claim form.

I walked into the court room and was surprised after the usher called for Parking Control Management UK, and holding the door open, no one else entered after me.

I sat down and politely asked the judge for a pen to make notes.  He said I wouldn't need it.  The Claimant had filed a CPR34.(something) and had not shown up.

He described to me the witness statement that had been submitted on their behalf contained no exhibits.  As such he was throwing the case out.  I was in there for less than 1 minute.

To me at least is doesn't sound right.  You either don't show up (case dismissed?) or don't put what is needed in the witness statement stage (Judge's discretion).  Anyhow, judge was very professional and polite.

At the end I mentioned costs.  I was awarded £90 based on time off work.

I want to say thank you to everyone here who has persisted in helping me with seemingly trivial questions by directing me to various posts and reading.

Gr1pr

PCM UK LTD Nd Moorside Legal lose out,  no shows,  well done 

Another one bites the dust   !

Coupon-mad

UPDATE!

Hi All,

I arrived at the courtroom 1 hr early, suited and booted.

Prepped with my defence, witness statement, exhibits and claim form.

I walked into the court room and was surprised after the usher called for Parking Control Management UK, and holding the door open, no one else entered after me.

I sat down and politely asked the judge for a pen to make notes.  He said I wouldn't need it.  The Claimant had filed a CPR34.(something) and had not shown up.

He described to me the witness statement that had been submitted on their behalf contained no exhibits.  As such he was throwing the case out.  I was in there for less than 1 minute.

To me at least is doesn't sound right.  You either don't show up (case dismissed?) or don't put what is needed in the witness statement stage (Judge's discretion).  Anyhow, judge was very professional and polite.

At the end I mentioned costs.  I was awarded £90 based on time off work.

I want to say thank you to everyone here who has persisted in helping me with seemingly trivial questions by directing me to various posts and reading.

Previously, 

ChirpyChicken said:

Moorside seem to follow gladstones and in general dont send reps . So if one doesn't show dont be surprised (although doesn't applies in all cases)

You were right!

So, this shows that they also waste hearing fees, probably gambling that the Defendant will often pay a few days before out of fear, or not show up (and they probably win a fair few cases that way, with two no-shows some judges would still consider the case).

befree16  Well done! And you got costs.

ANOTHER ONE BTD INDEED!   

Now to get your final revenge:

It's very important that people like you join us to reply to the new Public Consultation this month, to tell the Government that:

a) you have no faith in POPLA or the IAS and that there must be the SINGLE APPEALS SERVICE that the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 promised the public. As long as it is independent (and only ONE appeals service, not two involved in a race to the bottom) that will give a real option to resolve disputed cases out of court.

b).  THAT THE ENRICHMENT OF 'DEBT RECOVERY FEES' MUST BE COMPLETELY BANNED. DISPUTED CASES ARE NOT SOLVED BY A THIRD PARTY DEMANDING MORE MONEY AND OFFERING A POINTLESS 'PAYMENT PLAN'!  The answer to the question about adding ANY money for debt recovery is: NO. Nothing, nada.  If the parking industry want to use third parties they must pay for the service, like any other.

c). Tell them about your experience and that your case went all the way to court claim, precisely because (a) and (b) above mean there is no option, no safeguard for consumers as a buffer.  And yet after maximum intimidation and clear abuse of the court process, Moorside Legal just didn't show up to the hearing!

This cannot be right, etc.  Show your evidence.

Responses are invited to the Consultation now:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6617396/parking-code-of-practice-consultation-8-weeks-from-11th-july-2025/p1

Do it this month! We will discuss it all in more detail in the coming days on that thread.

Le_Kirk

befree16 said:

I sat down and politely asked the judge for a pen to make notes.  He said I wouldn't need it.  The Claimant had filed a CPR34.(something) and had not shown up.

I'll add that to my advice about preparing for a hearing - make sure you take a pen and notepad!  Well done on your win.

befree16

Hi all, apologies for dredging up this post.

I need a bit more advice.

So I got a postal order for my costs, and it has been made out to my name with an incorrect spelling.  Hence I cannot pay it in to my bank account.  I assume this is their last ditch effort to make it as hard as possible for me.

I need to get in touch with PCM/moorside legal to get a new postal order.

Who exactly should I be contacting?  And should I be cc'ing in the court email?  I have a feeling they will just ignore any emails from me.

Thanks!

ChirpyChicken

A postal order are you sure?
If its a cheque it will still pay in even with a spelling error. If you have a bank app pay it in using that.ive never heard of anyone being paid by PO in years that is so 1980s
Even if it was PO with a spelling error you can still pay it in 

befree16

ChirpyChicken said:

A postal order are you sure?
If its a cheque it will still pay in even with a spelling error. If you have a bank app pay it in using that.ive never heard of anyone being paid by PO in years that is so 1980s
Even if it was PO with a spelling error you can still pay it in 

Thanks for your response.

Definitely a Postal Order.  First time I had seen/heard of one.

They made it out to my first, and one middle name with a spelling error.

I went to my bank and the clerk did not accept it.  I will try and pay it in via the app and let you know.

ChirpyChicken

befree16 said:

ChirpyChicken said:

A postal order are you sure?
If its a cheque it will still pay in even with a spelling error. If you have a bank app pay it in using that.ive never heard of anyone being paid by PO in years that is so 1980s
Even if it was PO with a spelling error you can still pay it in 

Thanks for your response.

Definitely a Postal Order.  First time I had seen/heard of one.

They made it out to my first, and one middle name with a spelling error.

I went to my bank and the clerk did not accept it.  I will try and pay it in via the app and let you know.

that is frankly bizarre, i cant work out why a legal firm would sent out a PO
If they made it out missing your surname then most likely they would need to issue a new cheque
1995 was the last time i used one!!
Try it on the app first , may not work