PIP was 2nd claim with new conditions but from 15 April 2025 new 3rd claim as advised.

sammyjammy

The workcoach saying why not claim is just like me saying why don't you claim it, not a professional view at all, certainly not an advisement.

Indie_Kid

tifo said:

kkkklinky said:

The assessors can usually tell when people are trying to make their conditions fit the descriptors because inconsistencies inevitably resulting in contradictory information and focusing on percentages will definitely cause red flags to the DWP which unfortunately happened to my own sister. I don't know how you are affected but this thread makes it look like you are desperately wanting an award as you have made inconsistent comments and the judge stating you are not credible makes that point clear.

I did the best i could in the previous PIP claim and the same this time.

I don't try to make my conditions fit the descriptors, at all stages i've told the truth, it's consistently reported that DWP unfairly reject many WCA and PIP claims and the majority are awarded at tribunal.

I know i'm bringing my WCA claim into this again but that's what the DWP did. I had 2 tribunals a week apart and was awarded WCA but not PIP. I believe the PIP judge feeling I wasn't credible skewed my PIP tribunal whereas in the WCA tribunal the judge must have believed some of what I said. The Dr in that tribunal was nice in the way he spoke and seemed to understand what I was saying.

I'm not desperately trying to make a PIP claim. Following my WCA referral and ongoing claim, the work coach suggested I apply for PIP. This was 2 years after my first WCA referral. If I was desperate for PIP I would have applied 2 years earlier. At that time my conditions from that time were far worse than they are now. I've applied again because this time I have a new condition which affects my mobility.

The criteria for both benefits is different. I know people on one who don't meet the criteria for the other 

Your work coach suggested it because you have a disability but that doesn't mean you'll actually get something 

tifo

Indie_Kid said:

The criteria for both benefits is different. I know people on one who don't meet the criteria for the other 

I know the criteria is different for both benefits and I tried to raise this in my previous tribunals but to no avail, the DWP said i didn't get LCW/LCWRA so shouldn't get PIP and vice versa.

peteuk

tifo said:

Indie_Kid said:

The criteria for both benefits is different. I know people on one who don't meet the criteria for the other 

I know the criteria is different for both benefits and I tried to raise this in my previous tribunals but to no avail, the DWP said i didn't get LCW/LCWRA so shouldn't get PIP and vice versa.

Which is utter rubbish and I doubt they would say this, Sorry.  People work fulltime and are claiming PIP.  Its not about your ability to work, its how your conditions affect daily life. 

LCW/LCWRA is about your ability to work/seek work.

marcia_

peteuk said:

tifo said:

Indie_Kid said:

The criteria for both benefits is different. I know people on one who don't meet the criteria for the other 

I know the criteria is different for both benefits and I tried to raise this in my previous tribunals but to no avail, the DWP said i didn't get LCW/LCWRA so shouldn't get PIP and vice versa.

Which is utter rubbish and I doubt they would say this, Sorry.  People work fulltime and are claiming PIP.  Its not about your ability to work, its how your conditions affect daily life. 

LCW/LCWRA is about your ability to work/seek work.

 I agree with this. I claimed 15 for years DLA then PIP whilst working full time. When I had to leave due to deteriorating health I claimed ESA and was given LCWRA. Both are completely separate. 

tifo

peteuk said:

Which is utter rubbish and I doubt they would say this, Sorry.  People work fulltime and are claiming PIP.  Its not about your ability to work, its how your conditions affect daily life. 

LCW/LCWRA is about your ability to work/seek work.

It's not utter rubbish, DWP cited both medical reports and both assessments in both tribunals and I had to argue points from both assessments, the judges and DWP rep were jumping from report to report.

I got LCW first and the PIP tribunal judge said she knows i've got LCW.

I have it all in the tribunal bundles. My arguments were that the 2 assessments and criteria are different but the DWP didn't see it that way. And the judges seem to have been swayed by both reports.

peteuk

tifo said: 

I know the criteria is different for both benefits and I tried to raise this in my previous tribunals but to no avail, the DWP said i didn't get LCW/LCWRA so shouldn't get PIP and vice versa.

So what is it...

tifo said:

I got LCW first and the PIP tribunal judge said she knows i've got LCW.

I would suggest although you believe thats what they were saying, they didnt say it.  It is totally false information. 

Youve constantly mixed your LCW assessment and PIP assesment, youve been given some good advice about your PIP assessment.  Are you going to reclaim or leave it alone.  If your reclaiming then take some of the advice given.  If your not then let it go.  By constantly arguing about the tribunal and returning back to the subject of your PIP it is unhealthy and potenitally worstening your mental and physical conditions.  

born_again

tifo said:

peteuk said:

Which is utter rubbish and I doubt they would say this, Sorry.  People work fulltime and are claiming PIP.  Its not about your ability to work, its how your conditions affect daily life. 

LCW/LCWRA is about your ability to work/seek work.

It's not utter rubbish, DWP cited both medical reports and both assessments in both tribunals and I had to argue points from both assessments, the judges and DWP rep were jumping from report to report.

I got LCW first and the PIP tribunal judge said she knows i've got LCW.

I have it all in the tribunal bundles. My arguments were that the 2 assessments and criteria are different but the DWP didn't see it that way. And the judges seem to have been swayed by both reports.

This is starting to go back to your previous thread.

You would be far better sticking to the gist of your starting post

So, should I make another PIP claim? I see that the award success rate for osteoarthritis or generalised osteoarthritis is high at around 72%. My other conditions have not gone away as they're for life which I said in my previous claim, though my gout hasn't flared up much this year.

Which has been answered by many people.

sheramber

Four months and 12 pages later you are still posting the same information over and over.

If you have applied then you can only wait and see what results.

Of you haven’t applied yet then you are not gaining anything by repeatedly posting on here.

Do you just want people to agree with you?

kkkklinky

tifo said:

peteuk said:

Which is utter rubbish and I doubt they would say this, Sorry.  People work fulltime and are claiming PIP.  Its not about your ability to work, its how your conditions affect daily life. 

LCW/LCWRA is about your ability to work/seek work.

It's not utter rubbish, DWP cited both medical reports and both assessments in both tribunals and I had to argue points from both assessments, the judges and DWP rep were jumping from report to report.

I got LCW first and the PIP tribunal judge said she knows i've got LCW.

I have it all in the tribunal bundles. My arguments were that the 2 assessments and criteria are different but the DWP didn't see it that way. And the judges seem to have been swayed by both reports.

 The reason your tribunal has been unsuccessful is likely because you DON'T qualify for PIP due to not recieving enough points for an award and has nothing to do with LCW since they are completely different assessments. 

It seems you don't want to accept that you are not eligible and just want others to agree with you. Unfortunately based on what information you have provided reapplying for PIP is unlikely to be successful and will result in the same outcome.