PIP was 2nd claim with new conditions but from 15 April 2025 new 3rd claim as advised.

JadedAngel88

kkkklinky said:

tifo said:

poppy12345 said:

tifo said:

poppy12345 said:

This is the reason why you shouldn't say as little as possible. They've already taken a claim to a Tribunal and were refused, as you know. 

"This is the reason why you shouldn't say as little as possible. They've already taken a claim to a Tribunal and were refused".

For different conditions, as you know.

This is a new condition and so a new claim. I didn't previously claim again for the same conditions.

Indeed I know but PIP isn’t awarded based on a diagnosis alone. 

The osteoarthritis is affecting how much i can bend my left knee, with pain, the right knee isn't so bad at the moment. This has been the same since diagnosed after i went to the GP for regular blood test and mentioned the stiff knee and pain. 

And i still get gout.

To be honest based on the very little info you have provided in the above quote and the post in general I think you are just trying your luck for an award again due to being denied. Unfortunately there is a lot of misleading articles claiming you can get large PIP payout just for '" having a diagnosed condition", it does not work that way. I have recently been diagnosed with MS after many years of medical issues and even I would not get enough points for an award( I know the criteria well due to dealing with a Schizophrenic ex partner who gets PIP), because it's based on how your condition affects you in daily life not a diagnosis and the criteria is quite strict IMHO.

I have to agree with this last quoted post. I have rheumatoid arthritis and osteoarthritis. I know there is absolutely no way I'd get pip with either of these alone. Fortunately in my early stages of rheumatoid arthritis, I was severely incapacitated. I had to have several adaptations done to my home so I could get around. These adaptations make up the 8 points to get the daily living one, sorry can't think of what the official name is brain fog, and without those I'd get nothing.

peteuk

tifo said:

Yes, i'm still affected by the conditions from my last claim, namely neovascular glaucoma in the left eye from 2018, which gives regular pain, tears and migraine headache, and uveitis, and cortical cataract in my right eye which isn't affecting me yet. The left eye was very bad at the time I came to UC at beginning of 2019 as i was, wrongly, advised by Shelter that i can no longer claim tax credits because i'm not working. The day after going on UC i checked and could have informed tax credits that i'm ill for up to 26 weeks without affecting my claim. Thus the nightmare on UC started as i was giving fitnotes but still having to go to the jobcentre every few weeks when clearly even the work coach could see and said that i can't work. But they have to tick the appointment box. Because of DWP errors with my referral after the WCA form, i ended up waiting until September 2021 for my assessment because of covid rather than in July 2019 when my appointment should have been.

I'm still affected by gout though not as much as before.

I'm not trying my luck because i've a new condition, i'm claiming because it's affecting my mobility and osteoarthritis gets worse not better. I've waited 3 months before calling the PIP helpline and the stiffness and pain has been the same for several months.

When you say "again to try your luck" many users replying to my other thread advised that it's better to make another claim, if i'm still affected, than go to upper tribunal.

My conditions are lifelong and will get worse. Just because i got unfair medical reports last time and the tribunals were unfair too esp for PIP doesn't mean i got better and should not claim again. The system worked against me last time to DWP advantage, esp the 2 years and 6 months delay over covid after they lost my first UC50 form in July 2019. Whether you agree or not this is what i believe.

In my honest opinion, you’re angry and feel hard done by.  You’ve been badly advised and moved from TC to UC, on you previous thread you mentioned WCA and PIP and it gets confusing.

Yes you have long term, degenerative problems, but at present I personally don’t believe you do not fit the criteria for PIP.  But that’s not to say you wont in the future. PIP is about ability not diagnosis, it’s about being able to do activities to a certain standard, repetitively and without ill affect.

Heres how easy it may be to dismiss your claim.  Do you have a driving licence?  Do you drive?  Is it an automatic?  Which knee is the issue (left clutch, right accelerator/break) which hand is stiff (left gear stick, right gripping wheel).  If you drive on a regular basis then you knee/ hand isn’t as problematic and in theory anything you claim not to be able to do may be discredited.  Unless you have evidence to counter this eg consultants letter stating how poor your mobility/ability to stand is and the need for an automatic car, or advised not to drive/surrender your licence.

Yes your arthritis probably isn’t going to improve, but you’re expecting it to worsen rapidly.  

(PS - I left PIP assessing purely because of the type of evidence used negatively, like the example above, although I don’t fully agree with it, I have seen it and was advised to use it on a number of occasions)

born_again

tifo said:

poppy12345 said:

I find it odd that you've returned and had an answer for a lot of questions apart from this one. 

Which descriptors do you think you should score points for and why?

i've not gone through the info again because i'm still waiting for my form and will do so when i complete it, like i did last year. Previously the descriptors i looked at were for different conditions.

Descriptors on the form are the same no matter what you issues you have.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf

Like @poppy12345
What descriptors do you think you will score points on & why.

So for mobility, how far can you stand & then move for either aided or unaided?

8dayweek

OP are you still employed? 

Tax Credits would only continue for up to 28wks whilst off sick and in receipt of SSP (or New Style ESA if not eligible for SSP). 

If you left a job, Working Tax Credits would only continue for 4 weeks thereafter - then if you had not resumed Work (for the required number of hours to qualify for WTC) within this period it would end. 

Quite frankly, it sounds like they gave you the correct advice - for WTC to continue for up to 28wks whilst off sick, you need to be anticipating that you’ll return to work before this period is up. 

If not, WTC would just end after the 28wk period You’d then have to start a UC claim and / or New Style ESA claim, and after 29 days the WCA process would begin so a long long time between first going off sick and potentially any LCW / LCWRA being determined. 

If you’d indicated there was little to no chance of resuming Work within 28wks or had given up your job then they were correct to signpost to UC. 

kkkklinky

Still have not provided any information on which descriptors you think apply to you? Do you actually know what the PIP criteria even is?. When I used to work for CAB I was surprised by how many people thought they were entitled based purely on a diagnosis/ medical condition and would appeal constantly despite being ineligible due to wrong assumptions about what PIP is. I advise you to check the descriptors preferably with others who know your problems and be completely honest(as some either under or overestimate their issues) about which ones apply to you.

tifo

poppy12345 said:

Why are bringing in UC and tax credits into this? PIP has nothing to do with either of those.

I'm not bringing UC and tax credits into this or my previous claim, I was explaining how I came to have WCA and PIP assessment.

It's actually the DWP who brought in my UC claim (WCA) into my PIP tribunal and my PIP claim into my WCA tribunal.

tifo

Dazza1902 said:

You seem to make getting pip a full time job.

I find this comment unfair.

I claimed PIP when my UC work coach asked me to following fitnotes and WCA referral. I wasn't successful up to the June 2022 tribunal.

I've claimed again now in December 2024 because of new conditions. If i didn't have them i wouldn't claim.

That hardly qualifies as a full time job.

kkkklinky

tifo said:

Dazza1902 said:

You seem to make getting pip a full time job.

I find this comment unfair.

I claimed PIP when my UC work coach asked me to following fitnotes and WCA referral. I wasn't successful up to the June 2022 tribunal.

I've claimed again now in December 2024 because of new conditions. If i didn't have them i wouldn't claim.

That hardly qualifies as a full time job.

Having extra conditions doesn't necessarily entitled someone to PIP, unless they already have an award. Still have not put what descriptors you feel you are eligible for and I suspect that is because you do not know what the eligibility criteria actually is. By the way my mother also has Osteoarthritis and Doesn't qualify for PIP even though she uses a stick.

I'm not having a go but unless we know why you feel you are entitled then this thread is just gonna go round in circles.

marcia_

tifo said:

Dazza1902 said:

You seem to make getting pip a full time job.

I find this comment unfair.

I claimed PIP when my UC work coach asked me to following fitnotes and WCA referral. I wasn't successful up to the June 2022 tribunal.

I've claimed again now in December 2024 because of new conditions. If i didn't have them i wouldn't claim.

That hardly qualifies as a full time job.

 You understand the WCA and PIP criteria are nothing alike and work coaches are civil service admin workers not benefits advisors. They know very little other than what is in their crib sheets, they are there to monitor you are following UC rules only. 

tifo

marcia_ said:

 You understand the WCA and PIP criteria are nothing alike and work coaches are civil service admin workers not benefits advisors. They know very little other than what is in their crib sheets, they are there to monitor you are following UC rules only. 

Yes, i know this about the work coaches and criteria for each, and as i've said multiple times, the DWP made them alike at both the tribunals by bringing both reports in to each.

I was replying to the comment that i'm making claiming PIP like a full time job and the fact that the first time i was advised to claim it. Subsequently going through i felt i was eligible for the mobility element and was hard done by the assessment report and then the tribunal judge.

I know i'm not eligible for the care element and i accept that.

And i'm not after a Motability vehicle, in case some users think that, as i already have a newish car.