Universal credit fine charge no idea what it is.

sammyjammy

If its a court fine and DWP are doing a third party deduction they are correct they cannot help you with any information about it as they have none.  Unless its a catastrophic error you must have some clue what it relates to.

The wording you've copied around penalty does suggest an overpayment with a penalty added for some reason (possibly not declaring a change of circumstances.) but the two things are very different so you need to be clear which it is.

Robbie64

R200 said:

8dayweek said:

Penalties are Civil Penalties added to DWP Overpayments (they seem to be conflating this with Third Party Deductions for Court Fines which are entirely different and subject to a different Deduction rate). 

I would contact Debt Management for details of what it relates to (as unless you have a Letter in your Journal, it could relate to an old legacy benefit). 

0800 916 0647 or this link…

https://www.gov.uk/repay-manage-benefit-owed

Court fines should be clear what it is for and the appeal process 

but the court says contact DWP and they say contact the court. Who is it that you appeal to

The DWP are correct in that they won't know why the fine has been imposed, all the DWP should receive is an instruction to recover the outstanding amount. In this instance, the court should be the correct organisation to query the deduction. Someone at the court* should know why the DWP have been asked to make a deduction.

* I wouldn't know which court you would approach. The days of local courts dealing with all aspects of fines, recoveries etc have probably long gone.

makavelianz

8dayweek said:

Penalties are Civil Penalties added to DWP Overpayments (they seem to be conflating this with Third Party Deductions for Court Fines which are entirely different and subject to a different Deduction rate). 

I would contact Debt Management for details of what it relates to (as unless you have a Letter in your Journal, it could relate to an old legacy benefit). 

0800 916 0647 or this link…

https://www.gov.uk/repay-manage-benefit-owed

Just phoned them, they said it takes 2 to 3 weeks to show up on their system, so going to wait another couple of weeks and phone back.. thanks

Newcad

There are a few things that are not quite clear here:
Is this a regular £50 monthly decuction, or a one-off £50 deduction?
(You appear to say that it was/is regular, how many have they taken?, are they still taking it?)

If this is a regular deduction for a court fine then presumably you have at some time been given a fine by a court?
A fine that you haven't been paying and so the court have sought recovery from your UC?

I would have thought that would be the court to ask.

If you have never had a court fine then obviously it can't (shouldn't) be that.
If it's a one-off then £50 Civil Penalty can/will be added in cases where you have been untruthful with the DWP.
So have you had an overpayment decision, sanction, etc. that may have attracted a £50 penalty for being untruthful? Perhaps more than one, resulting in a series of such £50 penalties?

R200

There has been examples of fighting the deductions 

makavelianz

Newcad said:

There are a few things that are not quite clear here:
Is this a regular £50 monthly decuction, or a one-off £50 deduction?
(You appear to say that it was/is regular, how many have they taken?, are they still taking it?)

If this is a regular deduction for a court fine then presumably you have at some time been given a fine by a court?
A fine that you haven't been paying and so the court have sought recovery from your UC?

I would have thought that would be the court to ask.

If you have never had a court fine then obviously it can't (shouldn't) be that.
If it's a one-off then £50 Civil Penalty can/will be added in cases where you have been untruthful with the DWP.
So have you had an overpayment decision, sanction, etc. that may have attracted a £50 penalty for being untruthful? Perhaps more than one, resulting in a series of such £50 penalties?

For me this is my first statement and first charge about a week ago, theirs another person who's case has been going on for a year or so discussing his case on my thread.

kaMelo

The problem with discussing someone other than you is that people's situations are individual to them and the finer points are often missed which leads to incorrect answers.

Stick to your case, if the other person wants help ask them to post their own thread.

Theoretical scenarios don't work out well.

sheramber

R200 said:

8dayweek said:

Penalties are Civil Penalties added to DWP Overpayments (they seem to be conflating this with Third Party Deductions for Court Fines which are entirely different and subject to a different Deduction rate). 

I would contact Debt Management for details of what it relates to (as unless you have a Letter in your Journal, it could relate to an old legacy benefit). 

0800 916 0647 or this link…

https://www.gov.uk/repay-manage-benefit-owed

Court fines should be clear what it is for and the appeal process 
art your own thread as you are confusing 
but the court says contact DWP and they say contact the court. Who is it that you appeal to

Can you start your own thread as it is confusing two scenarios which leads to confusing advie being given.

8dayweek

If it’s Court Fines it will show as “Fines” on your UC Statement and is generally limited to around 5% of your Standard Allowance (£19ish). Your Case Manager will be able to tell you which Court this originates from, so you can take it up with them (however Deductions from DWP Benefits are usually a “last resort” when other methods of recovery have been exhausted). 

If it’s a Civil Penalty it will show as “Penalties” on your UC Statement and is generally a flat £50. This will normally have been added to an Overpayment when you have acted negligently (i.e. failed to report a change impacting entitlement promptly). This could relate to UC - in which case you should have a Letter in your Journal (UCD368 from memory) or it could be related to a prior Legacy Benefit. 

If it’s a Fraud Penalty it will show as “Fraud Penalties” on your UC Statement. They can be quite high (£150ish) and will normally occur when you have committed Fraud but have accepted a Penalty etc instead of Prosecution. You should know about this, as you would have been interviewed by Fraud - potentially under caution - about this. It could relate to UC, or a prior Legacy Benefit. 

In the case of it being a Penalty or Fraud Penalty, Debt Management should have the details of WHERE it originated from a “date period” it relates too. They won’t know specifically how it came about. If there is a “normal” Overpayment attached to the Penalty, they will be able to agree an affordable repayment rate moving forwards. If there is a “fraud” Overpayment related to the Fraud Penalty they MAY be able to agree an affordable repayment rate moving forwards, but SOME may have specific deduction rates attached to them (you would know if it had got this far). 

Newcad

makavelianz said:

Newcad said:

There are a few things that are not quite clear here:
Is this a regular £50 monthly decuction, or a one-off £50 deduction?
(You appear to say that it was/is regular, how many have they taken?, are they still taking it?)

If this is a regular deduction for a court fine then presumably you have at some time been given a fine by a court?
A fine that you haven't been paying and so the court have sought recovery from your UC?

I would have thought that would be the court to ask.

If you have never had a court fine then obviously it can't (shouldn't) be that.
If it's a one-off then £50 Civil Penalty can/will be added in cases where you have been untruthful with the DWP.
So have you had an overpayment decision, sanction, etc. that may have attracted a £50 penalty for being untruthful? Perhaps more than one, resulting in a series of such £50 penalties?

For me this is my first statement and first charge about a week ago, theirs another person who's case has been going on for a year or so discussing his case on my thread.

If you answer the questions that I asked there, for yourself, then we would have a chance of working out what is going on for you, and giving the best advice for you.