UKPC PCN Appeal

toni2014

Have I said something wrong? I'm struggling to understand which appeal template I should be using.

Do I use the most comprehensive detailed appeal template I can find?

Any help would be appreciated 

LDast

Just use that template. 

Le_Kirk

KeithP said:

toni2014 said:
...is this the template I should be using as it's my first appeal?

How many appropriate appeal templates did you find in the NEWBIES thread?

........... especially one written in BLUE text.  Just use it as is with no additions, deletions or modifications as per the guidance in the NEWBIE sticky.

toni2014

Le_Kirk said:

KeithP said:

toni2014 said:
...is this the template I should be using as it's my first appeal?

How many appropriate appeal templates did you find in the NEWBIES thread?

........... especially one written in BLUE text.  Just use it as is with no additions, deletions or modifications as per the guidance in the NEWBIE sticky.

@Le_Kirk, the blue one is this one?

Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Couponmad suggested to add the additional info re incorrect address; Please also erase address xxx from your records, the correct address is xxx


Is that ok?

toni2014

I've submitted the appeal online using the blue text. Will update as I hear further, thank you all for your help

toni2014

Appeal has been rejected

They have given me two options; pay the fine or make a popla appeal.

Where do I go from here?

fisherjim

They never gave you an option to "pay the fine" you have been told this before, and you knew they would reject it why the surprise?

In this case I would go to POPLA and site that non conforming sign where the charge is buried in the small print.

UKPC will send undated office copies of what they say are on site which also must  be pointed out are not present evidence.

Any photos you supply MUST be date stamped.

toni2014

fisherjim said:

They never gave you an option to "pay the fine" you have been told this before, and you knew they would reject it why the surprise?

In this case I would go to POPLA and site that non conforming sign where the charge is buried in the small print.

UKPC will send undated office copies of what they say are on site which also must  be pointed out are not present evidence.

Any photos you supply MUST be date stamped.

I'm not surprised, apologies I should be careful with my words as it states 'pay the parking charge' which I do not intend to do and will submit a popla appeal.

I'll head to the car park this weekend and take a photo of the sign and make sure it is date stamped on my phone.

You state UKPC will send undated office copies of what they say are on site but when they issued the PCN they are supplied images of the actual signage, does this make a difference?

Coupon-mad

Their photos will be close up and probably blurry so in fact (if I'm right) you may be OK just using their pics not yours.

Show us their pics.

POPLA doesn't matter anyway, win or lose you don't pay.

fisherjim

toni2014 said:

You state UKPC will send undated office copies of what they say are on site but when they issued the PCN they are supplied images of the actual signage, does this make a difference?

It's when it comes to POPLA they usually supply master copies to make the assessor think that the signage is plentiful, correct, and legible it rarely represents reality.