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ECP via DCB Legal, issue date 10th April 2025

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  • Gmonkey
    Gmonkey Posts: 23 Forumite
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    complained to BPA on 07.05.2024.

    Thank you for your enquiry.

    I can confirm that Euro Car Parks Limited is a member of our Approved Operator Scheme which means that they are required to adhere to our Code of Practice.

    Our role is to investigate alleged breaches of our Code of Practice where evidence can be supplied – we cannot become involved in the appeals process or compel our members to cancel charges.

    Please be advised that the Code of Practice does not cover methods of payment. 

    I note that you have appealed to the operator and the independent appeals service, POPLA, who have both rejected your appeals which means you have exhausted the appeals process. As POPLA is an independent appeals service, we are unable to become involved and we cannot compel them to overturn a decision.

    As I have not identified a breach of a point raised in our Code of Practice, I am unable to investigate your complaint further on this occasion.


  • Gmonkey
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    and yet in their 'Code'

    17.2 There is also an increase in the use of mobile phone apps to pay for parking. Just as in the case of fixed or stationary parking payment terminals, mobile phone parking apps also require a motorist to correctly enter their car registration number.

     

    17.3 No one wants to receive a parking charge for making a mistake when entering their vehicle registration number into a Pay and Display machine or parking validation terminal, when they have paid for the parking event. Motorists, car park operators, service providers and equipment manufacturers all have a responsibility in ensuring that obvious and inadvertent errors do not lead to unjustified charges

     

    17.4 In these instances we would expect that such errors are dealt with appropriately at the first appeal stage, especially if it can be proven that the motorist has paid for the parking event or that the motorist attempted to enter their VRM or were a legitimate user of the car park (eg a hospital patient or a patron of a restaurant). It is appreciated that in issuing a PCN in these instances, the operator will have incurred charges including but not limited to the DVLA fee and other processing costs therefore we believe that it is reasonable to seek to recover some of these costs by making a modest charge to the motorist of no more than £20 for a 14-day period from when the keying error was identified before reverting to the charge amount at the point of appeal.

     

     


  • Gmonkey
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    So BPA was a waste of time
  • Gr1pr
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    edited 13 April at 12:45PM
    Remove the unredacted picture of the claim form,  breaks mse rules regarding personal details and references etc

    Edit your thread title again,  deleting everything after 2025 

    So its ECP via DCB Legal,  issue date 10th April 2025

    The POC states the contravention date,  so the newer POC statement 

    Do your AOS online via your government gateway and MCOL,  on or after 15th April , so ideally on Wednesday 

    Study the second post in the newbies sticky thread in announcements,  plus the first 2 posts in the defence template thread too,  plus any recent ECP DCB Legal cases which mention the word contravention in the POC 
  • Gmonkey
    Gmonkey Posts: 23 Forumite
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    Gr1pr said:
    Remove the unredacted picture of the claim form,  breaks mse rules regarding personal details and references etc

    Edit your thread title again,  deleting everything after 2025 

    So its ECP via DCB Legal,  issue date 10th April 2025

    The POC states the contravention date,  so the newer POC statement 

    Do your AOS online via your government gateway and MCOL,  on or after 15th April , so ideally on Wednesday 

    Study the second post in the newbies sticky thread in announcements,  plus the first 2 posts in the defence template thread too,  plus any recent ECP DCB Legal cases which mention the word contravention in the POC 
    The POC states the contravention date,  so the newer POC statement .....What does this mean pls


  • Gmonkey
    Gmonkey Posts: 23 Forumite
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    Date of contravention in POC is 29.01.2024
  • Gr1pr
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    Gmonkey said:
    Gr1pr said:
    Remove the unredacted picture of the claim form,  breaks mse rules regarding personal details and references etc

    Edit your thread title again,  deleting everything after 2025 

    So its ECP via DCB Legal,  issue date 10th April 2025

    The POC states the contravention date,  so the newer POC statement 

    Do your AOS online via your government gateway and MCOL,  on or after 15th April , so ideally on Wednesday 

    Study the second post in the newbies sticky thread in announcements,  plus the first 2 posts in the defence template thread too,  plus any recent ECP DCB Legal cases which mention the word contravention in the POC 
    The POC states the contravention date,  so the newer POC statement .....What does this mean pls


    It means they have stated the date of the incident,  the date that ECP allege was the date of the parking of the vehicle by the driver on that private property,  so not the issue date of the pcn,  which would have been later, unless they issued a windscreen pcn to the driver on the day 

    Previously they stated that the pcn was issued on a date,  which was incorrect,  most pcns are issued on a later date,  by post.  So Previously their POC statement was incorrect,  but now they have corrected their mistakes 

    So now it says contravention,  not issued,  meaning that the defence would be written to take account of it 
  • Gmonkey
    Gmonkey Posts: 23 Forumite
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    If the appellant was unable to make a valid payment for any reason, then they would need to have left the car park and made alternative parking arrangements to avoid incurring a PCN. I appreciate that the appellant may have used the car park before and the machine has never been out of order, but POPLA assesses appeals on an individual basis; any external factors, such as previous similar parking events, cannot have any bearing on our decision making. While I acknowledge that the appellant only remained at the site for 21 minutes.

    Still cant believe this from POPLA...... I walked around the car park looking for ways to pay, looked for someone to help me, downloaded the app and then was scammed. I left after just 21 mins and did indeed found alternative parking and paid and proved this to POPLA with my bank statements. So i did exactly what they recommended and yet they sided with the Euro Car Park. 
  • Gmonkey
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    1.  The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.  It is denied that any conduct by the driver was in breach of any term.  Further, it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as agents) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the boilerplate text in the Particulars of Claim ('the POC').

     

    The facts known to the Defendant:

    2. The facts in this defence come from the Defendant's own knowledge and honest belief.  Conversely, the Claimant sets out a cut-and-paste incoherent and sparse statement of case. The POC appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action". The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case, allegation(s) and what heads of cost are being pursued, making it difficult to respond. However, the vehicle is recognised and it is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper.

    3. The defendant attempted to park in good faith and found the payment machine out of order. This is undisputed. The defendant walked around the car park looking for an attendant or someone to help without success. The sign on the car park instructs people to pay via a downloadable app. On the sign there is no website provided or phone number provided to make payment. A photo was taken to prove the lack of payment details.  The defendant downloaded a payment site ‘Ring Go’ and was redirected to a scam site where £7.50 was fraudulently taken from the defendants bank account. The scam payment can be shown on the defendants bank statement.  A phone call was made to his bank to put a block on payments. The defendant spent just 21 minutes of time on these actions and promptly left the car park to find alternative parking arrangements. A PCN was issued for £60 and the defendant finds this totally unreasonable. That payment has risen to £100 and then now a wholly unreasonable £271.32.

    4. The Claimant will concede that no financial loss has arisen and that in order to impose an inflated parking charge, as well as proving a term was breached, there must be:

    (i). a strong 'legitimate interest' extending beyond mere compensation for loss, and

    (Ii). 'adequate notice' of the 'penalty clause' charge which, in the case of a car park, requires prominent signs and lines.

    5. The Defendant denies (i) or (ii) have been met. The charge imposed, in all the circumstances is a penalty, not saved by ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC67 ('the Beavis case'), which is fully distinguished.


    Exaggerated Claim and 'market failure' currently being addressed by UK Government

    6. The alleged 'core debt' from any parking charge cannot exceed £100 (the industry cap).  It is denied that any 'Debt Fees' or damages were actually paid or incurred.

    7. This claim is unfair and inflated and it is denied that any sum is due in debt or damages. This Claimant routinely pursues an unconscionable fixed sum added per PCN, despite knowing that the will of Parliament is to ban it.

    8. This is a classic example where adding exaggerated fees funds bulk litigation of weak and/or archive parking cases. No checks and balances are likely to have been made to ensure facts, merit or a cause of action (given away by the woefully inadequate POC).

    9. The Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities ('the DLUHC') published a statutory Parking Code of Practice in February 2022: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/private-parking-code-of-practice.

    The Ministerial Foreword is damning: "Private firms issue roughly 22,000 parking tickets every day, often adopting a labyrinthine system of misleading and confusing signage, opaque appeals services, aggressive debt collection and unreasonable fees designed to extort money from motorists." 

    10. Despite legal challenges delaying the Code (temporarily withdrawn) a draft Impact Assessment (IA) was published on 30th July 2023. The then Government's analysis is found here:  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1171438/Draft_IA_-_Private_Parking_Code_of_Practice_.pdf

    11. Paragraphs 4.31 and 5.19 state that the parking industry has shown the DLUHC that the true minor cost of pre-action stage totals a mere £8.42 per case (not per PCN).

    12. This claim has been enhanced by a disproportionate sum, believed to enrich the litigating legal team. It appears to be double recovery, duplicating the intended 'legal fees' cap set by small claims track rules. Further, claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3):

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/450440/Unfair_Terms_Main_Guidance.pdf

    13. The draft IA shows that the intimidating letter-chains endured by Defendants cost 'eight times less' than the  fixed +£70 per PCN. This causes immense consumer harm in the form of some half a million wrongly-enhanced CCJs each year, that Judges are powerless to prevent.  MoJ statistics reveal several hundred thousand parking claims per annum, with c90% causing default CCJs totalling hundreds of millions of pounds. The false fee was enabled by the self-serving Codes of Practice of the rival parking Trade Bodies who aligned in 2021 to allow +£70, each led by a Board comprising the parking and debt firms who stood to gain from it. 

    14. The heads of alleged loss or purported 'contractually agreed' sums are unspecified and not adequately broken down, but it is denied that the added costs / damages sought were incurred. In this industry, debt collectors charge nothing when failing to collect parking charges.

    15. A typical private PCN model comprises a series of demands that the Supreme Court called an 'automated letter-chain' and the parking charge itself is already inflated to generate a healthy profit. In Beavis, there were 4 pre-action letters/reminders and the £85 PCN was held to more than cover the minor costs of the operation. This is less about genuine 'parking management' and more of a PCN-generating scheme, where debt demands are part of the regime.

    16. Whilst the new Code is 'on hold' and not retrospective, the new MHCLG Secretary of State must still introduce a statutory Code of Practice according to the legislation already enacted. It is surely a clear steer for the Courts that the DLUHC said in 2023 that it is addressing 'market failure' and in 2025, the new Labour Government has pledged to resurrect the statutory Code with a Public Consultation expected within weeks. Statutory regulation will soon replace the BPA & IPC Code, so the clauses in the (temporarily stalled) February 2022 Code should bear significantly more weight than the industry's own self-serving version. 

    17. Attention is drawn to paras 98, 100, 193, 198 of Beavis.  Also ParkingEye Ltd v Somerfield Stores Ltd ChD [2011] EWHC 4023(QB) where the parking charge was £75, discounted to £37.50 for prompt payment.  Whilst £75 was reasonable, HHJ Hegarty (decision ratified by the CoA) held in paras 419-428 that 'admin costs' inflating a PCN to £135 exaggerated the cost of template letters and 'would appear to be penal'. That judgment was unaffected by Beavis and remains binding as the only authority covering the clear abuse of parking firms routinely adding imaginary 'admin /debt recovery' fees to further enhance a large parking charge.

    18. In addition, pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper. The Claimant is put to strict proof of POFA compliance, if they are relying upon 'keeper liability'.

    19. The Defendant avers that there was no agreement to pay a parking charge or added 'damages' which were not even incurred, let alone quantified in bold, prominent text. This Claimant's lack of large, readable signs are nothing like the yellow & black warnings seen in Beavis, nor do they even meet the basic signage requirements in the current BPA & IPC Joint Code of Practice, which reflects the already statutory requirement for 'prominence' (Consumer Rights Act 2015 - the 'CRA').

    CRA breach - lack of prominent terms

    20. Section 71 CRA creates a statutory duty upon Courts to consider the test of fairness whether a party raises it or not.

    21. The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes a test of fairness and clarity of 'signs & lines' and all communications (written or otherwise). Signs must be prominent (lit in hours of darkness/dusk and adequately positioned where terms are bound to be seen) and all terms must be unambiguous and contractual obligations clear.

    22.  The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the duties of fair/open dealing and good faith (NB: this does not necessarily mean there has to be a finding of bad faith).  

    ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished

    23.  Unlike in Beavis, the penalty rule remains engaged. The CRA covers disproportionate sums, which are not exempt from being assessed for fairness because a 'fee' is not the core price term and neither was it prominently proclaimed on the signs.  

    24. The Supreme Court held that deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from alleged breach.  The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms or cumbersome obligations ('concealed pitfalls or traps').  This Claimant has failed those tests, with small signs, hidden terms and minuscule small print that is incapable of binding a driver. Court of Appeal authorities about a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge include:

    (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (Lord Denning's ‘red hand rule’) and

    (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2,

    both leading authorities that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and

    (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space''. 

    Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR

    25. DVLA registered keeper data is only supplied on the basis that parking operators who do not own the land must hold prior written agreement from the landholder. Should the Claimant try to rely upon the finding in One Parking Solution v Wilshaw in this regard, it is averred that this appeal judgment was misguided and plainly wrong. The DVLA rules and requirements that relate to private parking operators are a fundamental set of rules specific to parking on private land and regrettably, HHJ Simpkiss was not appraised about the 'KADOE' requirement for written landowner authority. Even the BPA & IPC's questionable industry Code gets this right: absent written landowner authority, there is no 'reasonable cause' to obtain DVLA data nor to issue PCNs. 

    26. It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) had written authority from the landowner to offer and form contracts with drivers at this site, in their own right. Many parking operators merely act as agents (contracted to put signs up and issue charges 'on behalf of' the site landowner) and this Claimant is put to strict proof of their standing to litigate.

    27. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject most disputes: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful average 5% of decided cases (ref: recent Annual IAS Reports). An impartial, fair appeals service was never on offer.

    Conclusion

    28. There is now evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims that are causing consumer harm.  The July 2023 Government IA analysis shows (from data from this industry) that the usual letter-chain costs eight times less than the sum claimed for it. The claim itself relies on an unfair charge which is entirely without merit, and should be dismissed.

    29. In the matter of costs, the Defendant seeks:

    (a) standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and

    (b) a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, and further costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 

    30.  Attention is drawn to the (often-seen) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not 'normally' apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))."   

     

    Statement of Truth

    I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

    Signature:

    Date:

     

     

     


  • Gmonkey
    Gmonkey Posts: 23 Forumite
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    Should i leave this in para one or should i delete. They do make clear im keeper in POC. 'which is unclear from the boilerplate text in the Particulars of Claim ('the POC').' 
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