EonNext at it again with 'End Of Life Meter' tactics for exchanging to a Smart meter

Qyburn

Cloth_of_Gold said:

I agree and I'm afraid I don't agree with the 'there is no downside' argument.

There is also the issue of variable pricing which smart meters make possible. I don't doubt that will work for some but for those of us who can't have all their power-hungry appliances running in the middle of the night it won't. 

A smart meter doesn't actually force you to go onto a time of use tariff, so I don't see why the existence of such tariffs could be seen as a downside.

bob2302

pseudodox said:

bob2302 said:

pseudodox said:

There is no way I would trust an IHD to give me accurate information

You can submit meter readings from an IHD provided you exercise some basic common sense.

What?  Even if the IHD, like many reported on here, is not actually working?  Magic?  Smoke & mirrors!

No, obviously not. Not submitting readings from an IHD that is not connecting is covered by "exercise some basic common sense".

victor2

bob2302 said:

pseudodox said:

There is no way I would trust an IHD to give me accurate information

You can submit meter readings from an IHD provided you exercise some basic common sense.

Not all (working) IHDs can show the meter readings, some only show usage and estimated cost.

pseudodox

Basic common sense means I have been capable of reading my meters for over 50 years & calculating what my bills will be.  Not estimated but accurate.  All without the aid of a safety net & techie gadgets.  Although spreadsheets have made it a little quicker I can still put pencil to paper if need be.  My life is too busy to watch over every appliance in the house.  I don't run power hungry gadgets & I use whatever energy is necessary to allow me to do more interesting stuff than watch the cost racking up.  At last year's peak rates I was not worrying about every last kWh as my bills were less than half the mythical "average household cap".

victor2

pseudodox said:

Basic common sense means I have been capable of reading my meters for over 50 years & calculating what my bills will be.  Not estimated but accurate.  All without the aid of a safety net & techie gadgets....

Being a bit pedantic perhaps , but...

Your own calculation of gas bills will always be estimated unless you know the actual average Calorific Value used by your supplier for your billing period. IME, that estimate is within a few pence of the actual monthly bill for typical domestic properties though, as the CV doesn't vary much.

pseudodox

I know about the calorific value.  But each month since October 2022 the most my calculations have been out compared to my bill was 4 pence.  Sometimes I am spot on, sometimes a penny or two under or over.  Hardly worth losing sleep over!  And of course comparisons may also depend on the rounding system employed & the number of decimal places.

bob2302

pseudodox said:

Basic common sense means I have been capable of reading my meters for over 50 years & calculating what my bills will be.  Not estimated but accurate.  All without the aid of a safety net & techie gadgets.  Although spreadsheets have made it a little quicker I can still put pencil to paper if need be.  My life is too busy to watch over every appliance in the house.  I don't run power hungry gadgets & I use whatever energy is necessary to allow me to do more interesting stuff than watch the cost racking up.  At last year's peak rates I was not worrying about every last kWh as my bills were less than half the mythical "average household cap".

Bully for you. The OP would find it hard to read a smart gas meter. My point was that there's no harm in getting most of the monthly readings from an IDH - provided the readings pass basic sanity checks. 

SAC2334

pseudodox said:

I know about the calorific value.  But each month since October 2022 the most my calculations have been out compared to my bill was 4 pence.  Sometimes I am spot on, sometimes a penny or two under or over.  Hardly worth losing sleep over!  And of course comparisons may also depend on the rounding system employed & the number of decimal places.

Seeing as this is a money saving forum I m pointing out to you the benefits of smart meter tariff s with Octopus on their Tracker tariff compared to what you paid last Jan and Feb.. I averaged 3.5 p a kWh on gas on Tracker and around 14 p a kWh on electric Tracker . If you have a look through this forum on. Octopus Tracker and Agile you can get the idea why we all love this tariff...and Octopus .
If you re not concerned at all about what you pay per month pass on by and go your own way..I ve also only looked at the meters a couple of times in two years .
Octopus are the UK s best supplier by a country mile too ...Free electric tomorrow and all afternoon they are paying me to use as much as I like..It's windy today and the turbines are all spinning away .Smart Tariffs are fun tariffs 

gbhxu

Must say I don't trust what EonNext tell you.

Discovered that at least 4 of their forum staff members are not EonNext customers themselves!

Cloth_of_Gold

Qyburn said:

Cloth_of_Gold said:

I agree and I'm afraid I don't agree with the 'there is no downside' argument.

There is also the issue of variable pricing which smart meters make possible. I don't doubt that will work for some but for those of us who can't have all their power-hungry appliances running in the middle of the night it won't. 

A smart meter doesn't actually force you to go onto a time of use tariff, so I don't see why the existence of such tariffs could be seen as a downside.

Not now perhaps but in the future in might be different. Having a smart meter wouldn't save me a penny, having one might well cost me in the future.