EonNext at it again with 'End Of Life Meter' tactics for exchanging to a Smart meter

Scot_39

@Qyburn said

That's a bit far fetched, it's much more likely there'll be an across the board surcharge for non smrt meters. Like there is for payment other than direct debit.

In France there is already a national fee for those refusing their Linky Smart meters - in one report into EU wide roll out - it was estimated some c3.8million people (did it mean homes / bill payers ?) would pay what it said was c€50 annual fee.

(But apparently there was a less well publicised temporary exemption from charge if provided regular readings instead - which iirc expires end of this year)

IIRC at least one other plans to or has since followed. 

But that might be the solution needed to pay for non smart meters if there is a large demand - after all I guess 100,000s if not millions choose to pay higher SC and unit rates - by remaining on - or switching away from DD to - standard credit terms.

Zandoni

I was in the industry when Smart Meters were first being worked on in secret areas of factories that I visited. As a government body we would have had to approve them before they could have been rolled out but unfortunately times changed and I and my colleagues were made redundant. When i was in the role no gas meter could receive it's official stamp without my presence, after we left manufacturers moved abroad and I have no idea what controls were in place after. 

I doubt very much that approval would have been given to the first range of Smart Meters.

I  have seen many gas meters that were 40 years old and still in use and remained pretty accurate.

MP1995

I suspect a £50 fee each year to keep non smart meters will win 90% of the protagonists round.

Just need someone strong enough to bring in that change and enforce it.

Zandoni

MP1995 said:

I suspect a £50 fee each year to keep non smart meters will win 90% of the protagonists round.

Just need someone strong enough to bring in that change and enforce it.

Why do you care?

MP1995

Zandoni said:

MP1995 said:

I suspect a £50 fee each year to keep non smart meters will win 90% of the protagonists round.

Just need someone strong enough to bring in that change and enforce it.

Why do you care?

Mainly because if we can get 90% of the remaining smart meter protagonists or those not yet to receive their meter out of date notices the quicker everyone's bills will reduce. 

Sometimes the "on the fence" sitters just need a little push such as costs them more to do nothing or an incentive to have them fitted.

It's a lovely idea when you delve into it, sharing storage from domestic batteries and EV's saving billions not buying or selling excess energy which in turn leads to lowers bills. As well as less pollution

What's not to love and this is a money saving site after all.

Caveated by the statement that those with fitted smart meters that cannot communicate due to dead spots should not be penalised.

victor2

MP1995 said:

Zandoni said:

MP1995 said:

I suspect a £50 fee each year to keep non smart meters will win 90% of the protagonists round.

Just need someone strong enough to bring in that change and enforce it.

Why do you care?

Mainly because if we can get 90% of the remaining smart meter protagonists or those not yet to receive their meter out of date notices the quicker everyone's bills will reduce. 

Sometimes the "on the fence" sitters just need a little push such as costs them more to do nothing or an incentive to have them fitted.

It's a lovely idea when you delve into it, sharing storage from domestic batteries and EV's saving billions not buying or selling excess energy which in turn leads to lowers bills generating costs. As well as less pollution

What's not to love and this is a money saving site after all.

Caveated by the statement that those with fitted smart meters that cannot communicate due to dead spots should not be penalised.

Adjusted that for you, "bills" seemed a bit presumptious.

MP1995

victor2 said:

MP1995 said:

Zandoni said:

MP1995 said:

I suspect a £50 fee each year to keep non smart meters will win 90% of the protagonists round.

Just need someone strong enough to bring in that change and enforce it.

Why do you care?

Mainly because if we can get 90% of the remaining smart meter protagonists or those not yet to receive their meter out of date notices the quicker everyone's bills will reduce. 

Sometimes the "on the fence" sitters just need a little push such as costs them more to do nothing or an incentive to have them fitted.

It's a lovely idea when you delve into it, sharing storage from domestic batteries and EV's saving billions not buying or selling excess energy which in turn leads to lowers bills generating costs. As well as less pollution

What's not to love and this is a money saving site after all.

Caveated by the statement that those with fitted smart meters that cannot communicate due to dead spots should not be penalised.

Adjusted that for you, "bills" seemed a bit presumptious.

Not required. I stand by smart meters and what I said lowering bills.

I find the posts infering FIFY quite up themselves tbh 

Marvel1

How wonderful that they save money , email from Thursday

Your May Power Move update.

Hi (Name)

During May your smart meter failed to send us readings at certain times, so we couldn’t see the full picture of your electricity use.

Unfortunately this means you won’t receive a Power Move credit this month.

mmmmikey

Marvel1 said:

How wonderful that they save money , email from Thursday

Your May Power Move update.

Hi (Name)

During May your smart meter failed to send us readings at certain times, so we couldn’t see the full picture of your electricity use.

Unfortunately this means you won’t receive a Power Move credit this month.

Possibly not intended, but this email highlights another benefit of using financial incentives (positive or negative) to speed up the smart meter roll out. 

Firstly, you only need one or two meters in a fringe reception area that are able to connect, then the other meters in that area can bounce their data off the working meters and get it through that way (i.e. in technical terms, they use mesh networking). So the more meters you have in a fringe area the more reliable they become. And even if they're still not quite reliable enough, if you have lots of meters in a given area it becomes more worthwhile to beef up the communications infrastructure if some of them are having issues.

Like a lot of things to do with smart meters, as you start to dive into the details, you often come to realise that things aren't always as abvious as they seem.

For example - look @Zandoni post above:

"I  have seen many gas meters that were 40 years old and still in use and remained pretty accurate."

On the face of it, sounds like a ringing endorsement of old-fashioned meters, but is this necessarily a good thing if you start to consider factors such as cost and technical obsolescence / future proofing?

Zandoni

MP1995 said:

Zandoni said:

MP1995 said:

I suspect a £50 fee each year to keep non smart meters will win 90% of the protagonists round.

Just need someone strong enough to bring in that change and enforce it.

Why do you care?

Mainly because if we can get 90% of the remaining smart meter protagonists or those not yet to receive their meter out of date notices the quicker everyone's bills will reduce. 

Sometimes the "on the fence" sitters just need a little push such as costs them more to do nothing or an incentive to have them fitted.

It's a lovely idea when you delve into it, sharing storage from domestic batteries and EV's saving billions not buying or selling excess energy which in turn leads to lowers bills. As well as less pollution

What's not to love and this is a money saving site after all.

Caveated by the statement that those with fitted smart meters that cannot communicate due to dead spots should not be penalised.

I doubt it will make any difference, how much have bills risen with the costs of smart meters?