Replacing an Old IPhone

noitsnotme

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

iPhone 8 Plus is not on the latest OS. IOS 16 is a a far as it goes. 

It will get some security updates but these won’t be as comprehensive as devices on iOS 17. 

Some apps will stop working, banking apps for a start. 

Oh well, soon time to upgrade then.  Hasn’t done bad to last 7 years I guess, all original parts and zero repairs.

ididgetwhereiamtoday

Absolutely.  I would recommend going for a 12 at least, should be good for a few more years. 

They can be had for around £300. 

LeesArt

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

iPhone 8 Plus is not on the latest OS. IOS 16 is a a far as it goes. 

It will get some security updates but these won’t be as comprehensive as devices on iOS 17. 

Some apps will stop working, banking apps for a start. 

JLMartin said:

What is the cheapest older model IPhone I could get now that is supported? Bearing in mind Apple have stopped supporting some things.  Or any other suggestions.   

With respect, if one took that attitude one would be forced to always buy the latest iPhone and OS

Upgrading to the latest IOS can brick a phone, just as upgrading an old PC to Win10 can make it unusable, at same time some things stop working, for example some websites no longer support Safari on say IOS 12 and so the user has to either install another browser or upgrade the IOS.  Sadly Apple does not allow one to choose the ideal version of IOS, if you are on 12 and upgrade you can't have 13 but only the latest supported by your device.

The OP did not ask for the latest OS, they asked what was the cheapest older model that is now supported.

An Iphone 6s is supported by V15.8.2 and .2 refers to two security updates.

However, you are correct in that key in these situations is the apps,  so one needs to look at the Apps already used, visit the Apple App Store,
locate the App,
scroll down to Information section
Look for subsection called compatibility 
Click on Works on this iPhone
and look that the latest IOS supported by the App is. 

For example

The Nationwide Banking app is supported by IOS 12 and above
The Revolut Banking app is supported by IOS 13 and above
The Santander Banking app is supported by IOS 13 and above
The Metro Banking app is supported by IOS 13.5 and above
The Halifax Banking app is supported by IOS 14 and above
The HSBC Banking app is supported by IOS 14 and above
The Lloyds Banking app is supported by IOS 14 and above
The Nat West Banking app is supported by IOS 14 and above
The Barclays Banking app is supported by IOS 15 and above

So I am not sure what you are referring to when you say Especially banking apps, Barclays is the highest and requires IOS15, none require 16 or 17 and quite right too, they would be abandoning their customers.

the Alexa App is supported by IOS 14 and above
the National Lottery App is supported by IOS 14 and above
the BBC Sounds App is supported by IOS 15 and above
the BBC News App is supported by IOS 15 and above
the Signal App is supported by IOS 13 and above
the WhatApp App is supported by IOS 12 and above
the Opera App is supported by IOS 12 and above
the Telgram App is supported by IOS 12 and above

As for security, as I said, if Apple supports an OS level on a device, then it support important security updates for that level.  I was surprised by this, I have a couple of old iPads and one had a security update, I think it was 12 or 13 maybe.  I have another iPad that can support IOS17 but I suspect that the only way that iPad can run IOS 17 is with many many features disabled.

If considering a replacement iPhone I love this Apple webpage as it shows the components you are paying extra for on different models, it showed me that you don't NEED that much since Iphone 13 Pro Max. After that is is just paying to be the latest.

https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/

Actually in terms of NEED, the Iphone 6s is still not bad, I have got them for vulnerable Tenants who just wanted to run an energy app

As of Sept 2023 the max versions supported are below, so all the OP needs to do is check all their apps for the latest OS version supported under the compatibility section of the App store listing and choose a device that runs that level and perhaps one above.  For example if they decide they absolutely must use BBC Sounds then they need IOS 15 which is supported by Iphone 8 I suggested and it will be supported until

Personally I think that as a public service organisation I think the BBC needs to be more inclusive and by only supporting IOS 15 and above they are discriminating against a large proportion of the population, especially the poor and vulnerable who are likely to have phones that only support lower versions.

iPhone 15, 15 Plus, 15 Pro, 15 Pro Max

• Original iOS version: 17
• Latest iOS version: 17
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone 14, 14 Plus, 14 Pro, 14 Pro Max

• Original iOS version: 16
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone 13, 13 mini, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max

• Original iOS version: 15
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone SE (3rd generation)

• Original iOS version: 15
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone 12, 12 mini, 12 Pro, 12 Pro Max

• Original iOS version: 14
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone 11, 11 Pro, 11 Pro Max

• Original iOS version: 13
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone SE (2nd generation)

• Original iOS version: 13
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone XR, XS, XS Max

• Original iOS version: 12
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: Yes

iPhone X

• Original iOS version: 11
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: No

iPhone 8, 8 Plus

• Original iOS version: 11
• Latest iOS version: 16
• Will it get iOS 17: No

iPhone 7, 7 Plus

• Original iOS version: 10
• Latest iOS version: 15
• Will it get iOS 17: No

iPhone 6S, 6S Plus

• Original iOS version: 9
• Latest iOS version: 15
• Will it get iOS 17: No

iPhone SE (1st generation)

• Original iOS version: 9
• Latest iOS version: 15
• Will it get iOS 17: No

iPhone 6, 6 Plus

• Original iOS version: 8
• Latest iOS version: 12
• Will it get iOS 17: No

Source:
https://www.macworld.com/article/1811287/which-version-of-ios-can-my-iphone-run.html

Kim_13

tiger135 said:

anyone use cex shops for phones? 

My Samsung S22 came from them a month ago. Ordered at 7:30am upon realising they’d dropped the price and it was delivered by 10:30 the next day. I’d have preferred Click and Collect, but it was not in stock at my local store, so I had to pay the £2.95 delivery fee (they used to offer free delivery on orders over a certain value.) As they ultimately used special delivery and packaged it in such a way that it was not obvious that it contained a phone, I didn’t begrudge being charged for it at all.

I would only order online from them though, as you can then get your money back if you are unhappy with what you receive. If you buy in store, whilst you can see the physical condition of the phone, you’d be in the dark as to battery life and if it doesn’t last as long as you expect, you only have a couple of days to return it for vouchers.

JSmithy45AD

Simplest solution by far is to dump Apple (they're treating you as a mug) and buy a new Android phone for the same amount Apple will rip you off for an old iPhone.

ididgetwhereiamtoday

JSmithy45AD said:

Simplest solution by far is to dump Apple (they're treating you as a mug) and buy a new Android phone for the same amount Apple will rip you off for an old iPhone.

And get about Zero OS updates. Lower to midrange Android (and some high end premium) phones can be very frustrating to live with especially if you are use to the smoothness and ease of use of iPhones. 

J_B

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

JSmithy45AD said:

Simplest solution by far is to dump Apple (they're treating you as a mug) and buy a new Android phone for the same amount Apple will rip you off for an old iPhone.

And get about Zero OS updates. Lower to midrange Android (and some high end premium) phones can be very frustrating to live with especially if you are use to the smoothness and ease of use of iPhones. 

Opinions eh!

I wouldn't have the complicated/restricted aPpLe stuff, if you gave it me - Android is so much simpler IMHO!

LeesArt

Kim_13 said:

tiger135 said:

anyone use cex shops for phones? 

My Samsung S22 came from them a month ago. Ordered at 7:30am upon realising they’d dropped the price and it was delivered by 10:30 the next day. I’d have preferred Click and Collect, but it was not in stock at my local store, so I had to pay the £2.95 delivery fee (they used to offer free delivery on orders over a certain value.) As they ultimately used special delivery and packaged it in such a way that it was not obvious that it contained a phone, I didn’t begrudge being charged for it at all.

I would only order online from them though, as you can then get your money back if you are unhappy with what you receive. If you buy in store, whilst you can see the physical condition of the phone, you’d be in the dark as to battery life and if it doesn’t last as long as you expect, you only have a couple of days to return it for vouchers.

I heard two different people on two different radio consumer shows complain how they had bought phones from such a supplier with a red logo only to find them banned for use in the UK within 3 months.  In these cases the supplier resisted replacing them until there was an intervention.  Personally if it were me I would be reporting the supplier to the Police for handling stolen goods.

In theory this could happen to any supplier but if someone is selling a refurbished phone on Amazon or eBay the supplier can lose their ability to sell on that marketplace, so much more likely to be bona fide.

The question is why was there such a lag in the time it took for these phones to be banned?  In these cases the phones had been replaced under insurance.

 

LeesArt

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

JSmithy45AD said:

Simplest solution by far is to dump Apple (they're treating you as a mug) and buy a new Android phone for the same amount Apple will rip you off for an old iPhone.

And get about Zero OS updates. Lower to midrange Android (and some high end premium) phones can be very frustrating to live with especially if you are use to the smoothness and ease of use of iPhones. 

I tried to move to Android because I resent being forced to grab my ankles but I could not cope with it.  It was not some crappy one either, it was a high end one that a friend of mine was trying to sell because she could not get on with it.

First thing was some of my apps were simply not available on Google store, but even the way the screen was implemented edge to edge meant that by holding the phone I inadvertently triggered things. 

What I think the CMA and EU should force Apple to do is to allow users to install and or rollback a device to any version of IOS that they want, this would extend the life of the phone and create less waste.

Currently there is always a huge risk with Apple that installing an IOS update will make the phone unusable because it slows the phone down so much.  So consumers avoid upgrading, as I explained in my previous post a relative of mine would not upgrade past IOS 12 because this happened on their old phone. As it turned out IOS 13 & 14 would have been OK but 15 seems to be where it became an issue.  

Such a user is eventually forced to upgrade IOS because another app demands at least 13 or 14 but the user only has the option to upgrade to 15.7 which make the phone unusable and so they are put in the position of the OP of trying to buy another phone.

Another thing I think needs CMA and EU intervention is that Apple limits the number of fresh Apple ID installs, we had a phone that we recycled through my family from 3 generations then through the kids.  Each time we wiped the phone and put a new Apple ID, but on the last one it failed.  It turned out that Apple has a limit on how many times the phone can be recycled, the limit is enforced via iCloud, I had to get on the phone to Apple in the USA to get to the bottom of this and they would not fix it.  We had the same thing with an iPad.

Imagine if ACER or DELL put a limit on a PC did not allow you to install a fresh version of Windows or Linux, and they coded that somehow into the hardware, it would never be acceptable.  Also the risk is that a user wipes their Apple iPhone or iPad because they don't want their data shared, they sell the device to a second had shop, they see the phone is empty and install an account so they can demo the phone using apps.  A buyer wipes that install and installed a new Apple ID and gets his with this software bricking, users may not realise because part of the install works but it fails with the Apple ID, so the device may appear to work but have a AppleID restriction on the phone.

I heard that Apple has for the first time exceeded Samsung sales, and for me this presents the risk of monopoly and for this reason I think Apple needs some conditions applied to it to open up access to the phone and IOS, taking care not to impact the security.

I do not agree with opening up the App Store so much because Google platform is riddled with hacked games and there are programs that can decomile an android app, not only does this allow for insertion of malware but it is only a matter of time before it compromises banking and privacy.

Cisco001

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

JSmithy45AD said:

Simplest solution by far is to dump Apple (they're treating you as a mug) and buy a new Android phone for the same amount Apple will rip you off for an old iPhone.

And get about Zero OS updates. Lower to midrange Android (and some high end premium) phones can be very frustrating to live with especially if you are use to the smoothness and ease of use of iPhones. 

Pixel and samsung has relatively long support.