Buy a EV battery car or not?

born_again

RogerPensionGuy said:

Bigwheels1111 said:

I have just travelled 510 miles before refilling the tank, Peugeot 5008 1.6 Bluehdi auto.

120 ish were 2.5 miles to hospital then back and a 20 mile round trip to Costco, all cold starts.

390 miles were Sidcup to Chesterfield and back with some running around.

I was full as full could be, topped up on a slope where I always do at BP.

I drove at 62 mph with cruise control on the Motorway.

I filled up at Costco and then BP where I top up on the slope.

Over 510 miles my mpg was 49.79 mpg that was 13p a mile at filling price.

My local BP EV charger is 79p per kwh.

I read that 3 miles per kwh is near the average use for an EV. Some get more.

That would mean that an EV would cost double for me to fuel and around 10k more to buy up front.

Tks for this post, although I'm not too bothered about fuel costs per mile, a battery EV car just looks so awkward for me as I probably cannot have home charging. 

Apart from X pence per KW, I see some chargers have another one off charge of X pence or more like £1.40 connection charge.  Then if on charging spot for longer than X hours, maybe 3 hours, you get billed X pence extra per minute, apparently 5P a min, so £1.40 connection and an extra £3 per hour over the X time limit.

Insurance, tyres, range anxiety, battery faults that a private owner pays for.

Looking like a PHEV petrol for me.

If you cant have home charging then do not get a PHEV. Get a HEV...

As where are you going to charge your PHEV?
PHEV only makes sense when you can charge at home & pay under 10p kWh. Any more & you are throwing money away.

WellKnownSid

Goudy said:

WellKnownSid said:

Bigwheels1111 said:

What make is your hybrid 7 seater.

It's a Dacia... 

I'd be interested to hear how you get on with this, I presume it's the hybrid Jogger?

Correct.  Really pleased with both this and the Zoe we also bought around the same time.

The Jogger gets crazy miles to the gallon and obviously the advantage of 7 seats.  Covered nearly 3k miles so far no issues.  Engine runs longer on cold days because there is no heat pump and it's the only way to warm the cabin.  The hybrid is straight out of the Clio (and others) and I think they've sold about quarter of a million so far with no significant issues reported.  Off the lights it has upset a ton of boy-racers - it's faster than any Dacia has a right to be... 

The Zoe is hilariously fun to drive - just point and press.  Second hand prices have definitely hardened since we bought - for the price of our approved used car which was 11 months old / under 3k miles you're now looking at a car from a car supermarket over 2 years old / 13k on the clock.

The Zoe was the 'second' car but in reality we put equal miles on both cars.

WellKnownSid

RogerPensionGuy said:

For me personally, a mild hybrid looks best option, but if a sensible PHEV takes my fancy, that would be fine as I suspect down the road PHEVs may be treated more kindly by society and government taxes than mild hybrids even if the car is never plugged in like many PHEVs are not as loke for me, more expensive and time, so I would become like many, lugging around all the extra weight, waste of all the PHEV parts fitted and produce more small particular emissions than a mild hybrid. 

I like the link below, especially that Zero Emmision Car phrase should be changed to Tail-Pipe Emmisions.
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https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/research/aqeg/zero-emission-vehicles

To be clear...

Mild hybrid = 48 volt traction system essentially designed to cheat at CO2 emissions but provides almost no benefit in terms of performance, NHV or drivability.  In fact some mild hybrid systems are quoted as 'odd' to drive.

Strong hybrid or HEV = High Voltage traction system.  Generally this means pulling away in EV mode and in the right circumstances the ability to travel for up to 80% of the time (esp around town) as an EV.  Hugely more satisfying to drive due to the extra torque available.

PHEV = Larger High Voltage battery.  As per HEV but the ability to travel for a significant distance just as an EV.

I see no benefit in a 'mild hybrid' other than being a bolt-on to make a conventional ICE car appear more CO2 friendly.

Goudy

WellKnownSid said:

Goudy said:

WellKnownSid said:

Bigwheels1111 said:

What make is your hybrid 7 seater.

It's a Dacia... 

I'd be interested to hear how you get on with this, I presume it's the hybrid Jogger?

Correct.  Really pleased with both this and the Zoe we also bought around the same time.

The Jogger gets crazy miles to the gallon and obviously the advantage of 7 seats.  Covered nearly 3k miles so far no issues.  Engine runs longer on cold days because there is no heat pump and it's the only way to warm the cabin.  The hybrid is straight out of the Clio (and others) and I think they've sold about quarter of a million so far with no significant issues reported.  Off the lights it has upset a ton of boy-racers - it's faster than any Dacia has a right to be... 

My dealer has been pushing me to swap my Clio TCe130 for a Clio E Tech for a while.
I've had one on loan while mine was in for a service and again on loan over a weekend and I had to admit, it's a long leap forward over earlier HEV's I've driven.

I haven't any grumbles with the TCe130 yet, averages around 33 mpg around central London, but the longer trips I tend to do, 500+ miles it can nudge 58 to 60 mpg.
I think that's pretty good going for a 4 pot petrol automatic.

One things does put me off is my Clio came with 5 years warranty but they've now dropped it back to 3 years.
And the E Techs boot is smaller than the 390 litres of mine, which might be an issue.

This has tempted me into the Toyota showroom a few times.
First looking at the Yaris and lately the Yaris Cross, which is far better than the Yaris in my opinion and not just due to the bigger boot.

I don't know what it is, perhaps programming or a slightly bigger battery but the Cross feels better suited to it's drive train, like you or it isn't really trying, it just does what is does a little bit better than the normal Yaris.

Not a fan of the SUV either, but it's tempting as I can get around 4 grand off one and it would be close to 8 or 9 years before it's 10 year/100,000 miles extended warranty became extinct based on my mileage.

Herzlos

Bigwheels1111 said:

Toyota Corolla estate hybrid is the best option all round for me as my next car.
I aim to keep my 7.5 year old 5008 diesel for 7.5 more year if at all possible.
Ive only just hit 23,000 miles.
It’s a 30k upgrade that would save me £300 a year in fuel.
100 years to break even at today’s prices.

Yeah if you're only doing 3k miles/year then there's no point in upgrading car to anything to save money on fuel.

You might find an EV more convenient and easier to maintain that a low mileage diesel, but that's probably not even worth considering until you're wanting to change car anyway.

WellKnownSid

Herzlos said:

Yeah if you're only doing 3k miles/year then there's no point in upgrading car to anything to save money on fuel.

Ours is a slightly different case - we bought our Zoe to replace a car which was doing between 1,500 and 3,000 miles a year.  In actual fact - it's so damn cheap to run and so nice to drive we tend to use it FAR more than we ever thought we would.  It's helped that the boot and rear cabin space is actually much better than others in its class.

Having driveway charging, though, is the killer app.  It's like having a filling station on your drive, no more complicated than plugging in a kettle, you always leave the house with as full a tank as you need, but it's like you've paid less than 25 pence per litre to fill up.  Seeing petrol at £1.41 a litre makes you think twice about using the hybrid - essentially for the journeys where we need the seven seats.