Death certificate

Grumpelstiltskin

Was the hospital actually in the Sheffield city area?

This gives you an idea of how outlying areas can be moved about.

k)	Gained parts of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed parts of the parishes of Aston !!!!!! Aughton and Wales) from Rother Valley registration district.	0 in 1961
(l)	Gained part of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed part of the parish of Rotherham) from Rotherham registration district.	0 in 1961
(m)	Lost part of the parish of Sheffield (which was added to the parish of Ecclesfield on 1.4.1967) to Wortley registration district.	0 in 1961
(n)	Gained part of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed part of the parish of Ecclesfield) from Wortley registration district.	14051 in 1961
1.4.1974	(o)	Gained the parishes of Bradfield, Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge from Wortley registration district.	52346 in 1971
1.4.1994	(p)	Lost parts of the parish of Ecclesfield (which became parts of the parishes of Tankersley and Worsley on 1.4.1994) to Barnsley registration district.	n/a
	(q)	Gained parts of the parishes of Bradfield, Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge (which until 1.4.1994 formed parts of the parishes of Hunshelf, Langsett, Tankersley and Wortley) from Barnsley registration district.	n/a
	(r)	Lost part of the Sheffield unparished area (which was added to the parish of Eckington on 1.4.1994) to Chesterfield registration district.	n/a
	(s)	Gained part of the Sheffield unparished area (which until 1.4.1994 formed part of the parish of Eckington) from Chesterfield registration district.	n/a
	(t)	Lost parts of the Sheffield unparished area and parts of the parish of Ecclesfield (which became parts of the Rotherham unparished area and parts of the parishes of Aston !!!!!! Aughton, Catcliffe, Orgreave, Wales and Wentworth, on 1.4.1994) to Rotherham registration district.	n/a
	(u)	Gained part of the Sheffield unparished area (which until 1.4.1994 formed parts of the parishes of Brinsworth, Catcliffe and Orgreave) from Rotherham registration district.	n/a

Keep_pedalling

bombom66 said:

Brie said:

I wonder if there's something on one of the ancestry sites that would be of help.  I'm thinking that there might be a forum there with willing volunteers to do multiple searches on your behalf.  Face it, if anyone can find a death or birth certificate it's going to be that crowd!!!.  

Wondering too why you need the death certificate 4 years on.  Maybe there's some way around this??  i.e. declaration from their GP or something???

The brothers mother recently deceased which just leaves my wife the daughter her solicitor needs to see the death certificate to distribute the house sale proceeds 

You could try here.

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/births-deaths-marriages/copy-certificates

bombom66

Grumpelstiltskin said:

Was the hospital actually in the Sheffield city area?

This gives you an idea of how outlying areas can be moved about.

k)	Gained parts of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed parts of the parishes of Aston !!!!!! Aughton and Wales) from Rother Valley registration district.	0 in 1961
(l)	Gained part of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed part of the parish of Rotherham) from Rotherham registration district.	0 in 1961
(m)	Lost part of the parish of Sheffield (which was added to the parish of Ecclesfield on 1.4.1967) to Wortley registration district.	0 in 1961
(n)	Gained part of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed part of the parish of Ecclesfield) from Wortley registration district.	14051 in 1961
1.4.1974	(o)	Gained the parishes of Bradfield, Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge from Wortley registration district.	52346 in 1971
1.4.1994	(p)	Lost parts of the parish of Ecclesfield (which became parts of the parishes of Tankersley and Worsley on 1.4.1994) to Barnsley registration district.	n/a
	(q)	Gained parts of the parishes of Bradfield, Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge (which until 1.4.1994 formed parts of the parishes of Hunshelf, Langsett, Tankersley and Wortley) from Barnsley registration district.	n/a
	(r)	Lost part of the Sheffield unparished area (which was added to the parish of Eckington on 1.4.1994) to Chesterfield registration district.	n/a
	(s)	Gained part of the Sheffield unparished area (which until 1.4.1994 formed part of the parish of Eckington) from Chesterfield registration district.	n/a
	(t)	Lost parts of the Sheffield unparished area and parts of the parish of Ecclesfield (which became parts of the Rotherham unparished area and parts of the parishes of Aston !!!!!! Aughton, Catcliffe, Orgreave, Wales and Wentworth, on 1.4.1994) to Rotherham registration district.	n/a
	(u)	Gained part of the Sheffield unparished area (which until 1.4.1994 formed parts of the parishes of Brinsworth, Catcliffe and Orgreave) from Rotherham registration district.	n/a

Grumpelstiltskin said:

Was the hospital actually in the Sheffield city area?

This gives you an idea of how outlying areas can be moved about.

k)	Gained parts of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed parts of the parishes of Aston !!!!!! Aughton and Wales) from Rother Valley registration district.	0 in 1961
(l)	Gained part of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed part of the parish of Rotherham) from Rotherham registration district.	0 in 1961
(m)	Lost part of the parish of Sheffield (which was added to the parish of Ecclesfield on 1.4.1967) to Wortley registration district.	0 in 1961
(n)	Gained part of the parish of Sheffield (which until 1.4.1967 formed part of the parish of Ecclesfield) from Wortley registration district.	14051 in 1961
1.4.1974	(o)	Gained the parishes of Bradfield, Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge from Wortley registration district.	52346 in 1971
1.4.1994	(p)	Lost parts of the parish of Ecclesfield (which became parts of the parishes of Tankersley and Worsley on 1.4.1994) to Barnsley registration district.	n/a
	(q)	Gained parts of the parishes of Bradfield, Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge (which until 1.4.1994 formed parts of the parishes of Hunshelf, Langsett, Tankersley and Wortley) from Barnsley registration district.	n/a
	(r)	Lost part of the Sheffield unparished area (which was added to the parish of Eckington on 1.4.1994) to Chesterfield registration district.	n/a
	(s)	Gained part of the Sheffield unparished area (which until 1.4.1994 formed part of the parish of Eckington) from Chesterfield registration district.	n/a
	(t)	Lost parts of the Sheffield unparished area and parts of the parish of Ecclesfield (which became parts of the Rotherham unparished area and parts of the parishes of Aston !!!!!! Aughton, Catcliffe, Orgreave, Wales and Wentworth, on 1.4.1994) to Rotherham registration district.	n/a
	(u)	Gained part of the Sheffield unparished area (which until 1.4.1994 formed parts of the parishes of Brinsworth, Catcliffe and Orgreave) from Rotherham registration district.	n/a

Yes northern general hospital Sheffield Iv searched the entire uk in the 3 year period and nothing 

sheramber

Do the undertakers not have a record of the registrar's certificate, which they need to  proceed with the funeral?

That would give you information of which registrar issued the certificate.

bombom66

sheramber said:

Do the undertakers not have a record of the registrar's certificate, which they need to  proceed with the funeral?

That would give you information of which registrar issued the certificate.

We’ve rang the undertakers we asked for the death certificate he said he just needed confirmation from the registrar like I said in the original post they have the telephone call from the brothers wife but no record of death certificate? Unbelievable I know it’s crazy we said we need it you will have to sort at your end they said they would call us back they didn’t so we rang again a few days later they said they would call us back again still they didn’t?

Grumpelstiltskin

OP Don't think you have searched the whole of the UK Death records for Scotland and Northern Ireland are different to England and Wales. OK This shouldn't apply with the death being way in England.

bobster2

Are there any obvious spelling mistakes that could have been made - or alternative names that could have been used?

No idea if you can still do this - but you used to be able to visit a register office and manually look through the indices. A good way to check lots of different spellings / names. You could even run through a whole quarter - and see if you spot a plausible match.

bombom66

Grumpelstiltskin said:

OP Don't think you have searched the whole of the UK Death records for Scotland and Northern Ireland are different to England and Wales. OK This shouldn't apply with the death being way in England.

Grumpelstiltskin said:

OP Don't think you have searched the whole of the UK Death records for Scotland and Northern Ireland are different to England and Wales. OK This shouldn't apply with the death being way in England.

Iv access to deaths from anywhere your either type in the town or city or leave the space blank and it searches every death everywhere maybe just England but that should be enough but nothing 

TonyMMM

Although deaths could be registered by phone during the Covid period that wasn't possible in 2019, so it may be that the actual registration never happened.

The funeral directors need a "certificate for burial/cremation", also known as the "green form" before they can go ahead with the funeral so they must have had one of those from someone. It can be issued before the actual registration in some circumstances and although a registrar can do that it would be very unusual and far more likely to be done by the coroner.

Issuing the green form before registration would usually only be done in cases where there has been a post mortem and perhaps there was a further delay in establishing an exact cause, or there was an inquest, in either case the coroner's office would have been involved. I would start by speaking to them.

It may be that someone still needs to formally regsiter the death.

bombom66

TonyMMM said:

Although deaths could be registered by phone during the Covid period that wasn't possible in 2019, so it may be that the actual registration never happened.

The funeral directors need a "certificate for burial/cremation", also known as the "green form" before they can go ahead with the funeral so they must have had one of those from someone. It can be issued before the actual registration in some circumstances and although a registrar can do that it would be very unusual and far more likely to be done by the coroner.

Issuing the green form before registration would usually only be done in cases where there has been a post mortem and perhaps there was a further delay in establishing an exact cause, or there was an inquest, in either case the coroner's office would have been involved. I would start by speaking to them.

It may be that someone still needs to formally regsiter the death.

I can remember his wife saying she needed death certificate to access his bank etc would that not be the case ?