Death certificate

bobster2

bombom66 said:

When I search you can click a box that lets you search your examples there’s nothing with a spelling error there’s none at all on his dob no one can find anything 

You may even have the date of birth wrong. Don't be precise about that when searching. It's not so common now - but earlier in the 20th century it was quite common for people to "adjust" their dob for various reasons.

bombom66

bobster2 said:

bombom66 said:

bobster2 said:

bombom66 said:

I know that ? the original post was about them holding all the money for no reason probably in a client account in the completed accounts there is no mention of interest that’s what my post was all about 

Well they are going to need to hold these funds for quite a while longer without evidence that the other beneficiary predeceased the mother. You might not want to post information here - but what I'd recommend is going on a genealogy / family history discussion forum. Say you're trying to find the death certificate for your brother-in-law - you don't need to explain why. Just give all the name, date, location details you have. There are people on those forums who are great at tracking stuff down.

We’re going to ring the coroners office Monday first thanks anyway 👍

Most deaths are not reported to the coroner - and you could try the suggestion above tonight. People on those forums are expert at tracking down death certificates.

Do you have any links to a site

bobster2

bombom66 said:

bobster2 said:

bombom66 said:

bobster2 said:

bombom66 said:

I know that ? the original post was about them holding all the money for no reason probably in a client account in the completed accounts there is no mention of interest that’s what my post was all about 

Well they are going to need to hold these funds for quite a while longer without evidence that the other beneficiary predeceased the mother. You might not want to post information here - but what I'd recommend is going on a genealogy / family history discussion forum. Say you're trying to find the death certificate for your brother-in-law - you don't need to explain why. Just give all the name, date, location details you have. There are people on those forums who are great at tracking stuff down.

We’re going to ring the coroners office Monday first thanks anyway 👍

Most deaths are not reported to the coroner - and you could try the suggestion above tonight. People on those forums are expert at tracking down death certificates.

Do you have any links to a site

Could try this one...

https://www.genealogyforum.co.uk/forum/index.php

It's a hobby and passion for some people on these sites - tracking down difficult to find details / certificates.

bombom66

bobster2 said:

bombom66 said:

When I search you can click a box that lets you search your examples there’s nothing with a spelling error there’s none at all on his dob no one can find anything 

You may even have the date of birth wrong. Don't be precise about that when searching. It's not so common now - but earlier in the 20th century it was quite common for people to "adjust" their dob for various reasons.

There’s no one with his name that died in 2019 or 2020 there’s two in 2018 but wrong dob and wrong death date quarter and wrong city

Flugelhorn

bombom66 said:

bobster2 said:

bombom66 said:

bobster2 said:

bombom66 said:

I know that ? the original post was about them holding all the money for no reason probably in a client account in the completed accounts there is no mention of interest that’s what my post was all about 

Well they are going to need to hold these funds for quite a while longer without evidence that the other beneficiary predeceased the mother. You might not want to post information here - but what I'd recommend is going on a genealogy / family history discussion forum. Say you're trying to find the death certificate for your brother-in-law - you don't need to explain why. Just give all the name, date, location details you have. There are people on those forums who are great at tracking stuff down.

We’re going to ring the coroners office Monday first thanks anyway 👍

Most deaths are not reported to the coroner - and you could try the suggestion above tonight. People on those forums are expert at tracking down death certificates.

Do you have any links to a site

I mentioned above a couple on facebook Ancestry UK and Ancestry UK discussion group https://www.facebook.com/groups/ancestryukchat

https://www.facebook.com/groups/AncestryUK

msb1234

bombom66 said:

aliby21 said:

I thought everything with regard to mother's estate was finalised months ago? wasn't her son's death certificate required then?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6495809/solicitor-holding-on-to-money#latest

Everything was sorted months ago and they never asked for the death certificate until 22nd December we have the accounts in the will it states if one dies before the other then the other one receives everything the solicitor knows he died 4 years ago but never asked for certificate until now it even says my wife as received all the money which she as not basically they have said bring the death certificate and we can release the other half of the money it also shows no interest in there calculations which we are going to bring up 

Having read your other thread, I can see why you’re getting confused. The house forms part of the estate of your wife’s mother, who died last April. The executor of her estate is the solicitor who is dealing with the house sale. Probate was obtained last year which enabled the executor - ie the solicitor - to sell the property. Not your wife. In order for her to have been able to sell it she would have had to prove that her brother was deceased, because until that point, the house was part of a joint inheritance. So it wasn’t legally hers to sell. 

Until she provides a death certificate for her brother the solicitor will not release funds - possibly not even her share as they would need to be absolutely certain that he wasn’t alive and wanting to contest the will.
your wife needs to obtain the death certificate!

bombom66

msb1234 said:

bombom66 said:

aliby21 said:

I thought everything with regard to mother's estate was finalised months ago? wasn't her son's death certificate required then?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6495809/solicitor-holding-on-to-money#latest

Everything was sorted months ago and they never asked for the death certificate until 22nd December we have the accounts in the will it states if one dies before the other then the other one receives everything the solicitor knows he died 4 years ago but never asked for certificate until now it even says my wife as received all the money which she as not basically they have said bring the death certificate and we can release the other half of the money it also shows no interest in there calculations which we are going to bring up 

Having read your other thread, I can see why you’re getting confused. The house forms part of the estate of your wife’s mother, who died last April. The executor of her estate is the solicitor who is dealing with the house sale. Probate was obtained last year which enabled the executor - ie the solicitor - to sell the property. Not your wife. In order for her to have been able to sell it she would have had to prove that her brother was deceased, because until that point, the house was part of a joint inheritance. So it wasn’t legally hers to sell. 

Until she provides a death certificate for her brother the solicitor will not release funds - possibly not even her share as they would need to be absolutely certain that he wasn’t alive and wanting to contest the will.
your wife needs to obtain the death certificate!

We have had half the money we know we need a death certificate for the other half we can’t get one that’s the problem in the will the sibling still alive inherits everything when the brother died his mother notified the solicitor he had passed in 2019 /20 they never asked for a death certificate then so that’s how they knew he had died in 2019 so they are also to blame 

msb1234

Regarding the death certificate, here’s what happens when someone dies:

Register the death

It's a legal requirement to register a death within 5 days of the death (unless it's been referred to the coroner). A burial or cremation cannot go ahead until the death has been registered.

Here's a step-by-step guide on how to register a death:

Step 1: Find a register office

You can go to any register office to register a death, but it's best to use one in the area where the person died because then you'll be given the documents you need that day. If you go to an office in a different area, there'll be a delay before you get the documents. Wherever you go, most offices require you to make an appointment, so it's best to phone in advance to check. 

Find a register office on GOV.UK

Step 2: Get the information ready

You'll have to show – or tell – the registrar:

• the medical certificate signed by a doctor or documentation from the coroner confirming the cause of death
• the date and place of death
• the full name of the person who's died (and any other names they once had, such as a maiden name)
• their date and place of birth
• their usual address
• their most recent occupation and if they'd retired
• whether or not they were receiving any benefits, including State Pension
• the name, occupation, and date of birth of their spouse or civil partner, if they had one (even if their spouse or civil partner has already died).

If possible, you could also take the person’s:

• birth certificate
• medical card or NHS number
• passport
• marriage or civil partnership certificate
• driving licence
• proof of their address (on an electricity bill, for example).

Step 3: What you'll get

When you've provided the required information, the registrar will give you:

• a certificate for burial or cremation (known as a 'Green Form')
• a unique code, so that you can use the Tell Us Once service
• leaflets about bereavement benefits
• a death certificate, for which there will be a charge. This is a certified copy of what's recorded in the death register and is needed to be able to deal with the person's estate.

The green form mentioned would have been required by the funeral directors - a burial cannot take place without it. Was your wife’s brother known by a different name? My stepfather has a completely different first name than the one he was known by.

msb1234

bombom66 said:

msb1234 said:

bombom66 said:

aliby21 said:

I thought everything with regard to mother's estate was finalised months ago? wasn't her son's death certificate required then?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6495809/solicitor-holding-on-to-money#latest

Everything was sorted months ago and they never asked for the death certificate until 22nd December we have the accounts in the will it states if one dies before the other then the other one receives everything the solicitor knows he died 4 years ago but never asked for certificate until now it even says my wife as received all the money which she as not basically they have said bring the death certificate and we can release the other half of the money it also shows no interest in there calculations which we are going to bring up 

Having read your other thread, I can see why you’re getting confused. The house forms part of the estate of your wife’s mother, who died last April. The executor of her estate is the solicitor who is dealing with the house sale. Probate was obtained last year which enabled the executor - ie the solicitor - to sell the property. Not your wife. In order for her to have been able to sell it she would have had to prove that her brother was deceased, because until that point, the house was part of a joint inheritance. So it wasn’t legally hers to sell. 

Until she provides a death certificate for her brother the solicitor will not release funds - possibly not even her share as they would need to be absolutely certain that he wasn’t alive and wanting to contest the will.
your wife needs to obtain the death certificate!

We have had half the money we know we need a death certificate for the other half we can’t get one that’s the problem in the will the sibling still alive inherits everything when the brother died his mother notified the solicitor he had passed in 2019 /20 they never asked for a death certificate then so that’s how they knew he had died in 2019 so they are also to blame 

Did your wife attend his funeral? Who never asked for a death certificate? Who is to blame?

bombom66

msb1234 said:

Regarding the death certificate, here’s what happens when someone dies:

Register the death

It's a legal requirement to register a death within 5 days of the death (unless it's been referred to the coroner). A burial or cremation cannot go ahead until the death has been registered.

Here's a step-by-step guide on how to register a death:

Step 1: Find a register office

You can go to any register office to register a death, but it's best to use one in the area where the person died because then you'll be given the documents you need that day. If you go to an office in a different area, there'll be a delay before you get the documents. Wherever you go, most offices require you to make an appointment, so it's best to phone in advance to check. 

Find a register office on GOV.UK

Step 2: Get the information ready

You'll have to show – or tell – the registrar:

• the medical certificate signed by a doctor or documentation from the coroner confirming the cause of death
• the date and place of death
• the full name of the person who's died (and any other names they once had, such as a maiden name)
• their date and place of birth
• their usual address
• their most recent occupation and if they'd retired
• whether or not they were receiving any benefits, including State Pension
• the name, occupation, and date of birth of their spouse or civil partner, if they had one (even if their spouse or civil partner has already died).

If possible, you could also take the person’s:

• birth certificate
• medical card or NHS number
• passport
• marriage or civil partnership certificate
• driving licence
• proof of their address (on an electricity bill, for example).

Step 3: What you'll get

When you've provided the required information, the registrar will give you:

• a certificate for burial or cremation (known as a 'Green Form')
• a unique code, so that you can use the Tell Us Once service
• leaflets about bereavement benefits
• a death certificate, for which there will be a charge. This is a certified copy of what's recorded in the death register and is needed to be able to deal with the person's estate.

The green form mentioned would have been required by the funeral directors - a burial cannot take place without it. Was your wife’s brother known by a different name? My stepfather has a completely different first name than the one he was known by.

We know everything you have posted no he wasn’t known by another name if you read my previous posts he’s not on the register as died  you can search all of England with his name dob death date or similar spelling names there’s nothing that matches up the national database can’t find it the local register can’t find it Iv even joined and searched all of England not just near us there’s nothing