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VCS Letter Before Claim
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Milliered
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Hello all
Please can I have some advice.
In August,my elderly father in law came to pick myself and my family up from East mid airport using my car.
As he hadn't arrived when we landed,I called him and he informed me he needed fuel so walk out and jump in while he got fuel at the BP garage,save coming in to the carparks(he has a disability badge so would even have been free to park in the carparks)
Myself and my young children got to the fuel garage just before he got there and the garage was closed with the access coned off. So when he tried to enter the garage he obviously had to stop on the access road as he would have gone through the cones!
This was 01.15 am.
I then received a Charge Notice CN Notice to Keeper NTK. Alleged offence 13th.issued 23rd. Received 6th Sept.
It states Reason for charge 46) Stopping in a zone where stopping is prohibited.
Site name and location. : East Midlands Airport,Castle Doninington De742SA.
Then goes on to say that they don't know who the driver is and that I am liable as registered keeper.
I appealed that I wasn't the driver and also that I would not give them the drivers information as he was elderly and not in good health so I didn't want him to be sent threatening letters etc.
They did actually try some sneaky ways to get me to give his details.
Obviously my appeal was rejected and I now have the LBC from VCS themselves,rather than a law firm etc.
Unfortunately my time is running out to reply to this(16/12/23) just had loads going on.
As I understand it,this means they haven't sold the supposed invoice/debt on and so therefore can't possibly add on another £70.00 anyway!!
I may also add that I couldn't possibly have been the driver as I can prove that I was on an in-bound flight from Lanzarote .
So unless I made my family walk to the fuel garage without me just so I could pick them up,I obviously wasn't driving the car..
So,cn someone please advise as I don't understand bylaws etc and if I have reasonable grounds to refuse. The images I have seen show me and my family waiting a few minutes,the car then pulls in but can't access the garage forecourt so has no choice but to stop! We then get in,car reverses and go,probably 2 mins later. If the garage forecourt hadn't been blocked,my father in law would not have had to stop there. Just to add,we got a taxi to the airport so would not have seen any signage on entry and did not see any signage where the alleged offence took place.
Many thanks
Please can I have some advice.
In August,my elderly father in law came to pick myself and my family up from East mid airport using my car.
As he hadn't arrived when we landed,I called him and he informed me he needed fuel so walk out and jump in while he got fuel at the BP garage,save coming in to the carparks(he has a disability badge so would even have been free to park in the carparks)
Myself and my young children got to the fuel garage just before he got there and the garage was closed with the access coned off. So when he tried to enter the garage he obviously had to stop on the access road as he would have gone through the cones!
This was 01.15 am.
I then received a Charge Notice CN Notice to Keeper NTK. Alleged offence 13th.issued 23rd. Received 6th Sept.
It states Reason for charge 46) Stopping in a zone where stopping is prohibited.
Site name and location. : East Midlands Airport,Castle Doninington De742SA.
Then goes on to say that they don't know who the driver is and that I am liable as registered keeper.
I appealed that I wasn't the driver and also that I would not give them the drivers information as he was elderly and not in good health so I didn't want him to be sent threatening letters etc.
They did actually try some sneaky ways to get me to give his details.
Obviously my appeal was rejected and I now have the LBC from VCS themselves,rather than a law firm etc.
Unfortunately my time is running out to reply to this(16/12/23) just had loads going on.
As I understand it,this means they haven't sold the supposed invoice/debt on and so therefore can't possibly add on another £70.00 anyway!!
I may also add that I couldn't possibly have been the driver as I can prove that I was on an in-bound flight from Lanzarote .
So unless I made my family walk to the fuel garage without me just so I could pick them up,I obviously wasn't driving the car..
So,cn someone please advise as I don't understand bylaws etc and if I have reasonable grounds to refuse. The images I have seen show me and my family waiting a few minutes,the car then pulls in but can't access the garage forecourt so has no choice but to stop! We then get in,car reverses and go,probably 2 mins later. If the garage forecourt hadn't been blocked,my father in law would not have had to stop there. Just to add,we got a taxi to the airport so would not have seen any signage on entry and did not see any signage where the alleged offence took place.
Many thanks
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Time won't run out so fast if you do the AOS as explained in the Newbies thread.
Please show us the claim form with QR codes, your data, the VRM, claim number and MCOL Password covered.
PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD0 -
Missed the registration plate!!!0
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It's not a claim form. It's an LBC.0
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Hello JerryJ64
Thanks for your reply.
Yes,it is a Letter before Claim,as you say.
I was asked to upload the letter. Just don't know how to deal with it unfortunately.
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Second post of the Newbies thread advises on how to respond.1
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Hello JerryJ64
Many thanks for replying,really do appreciate it.
Just to make sure I have read the correct section,I now have to send a letter via the post to VCS asking for a further 30 days to seek debt advice?
Also,how do I know if they have been PoFA compliant?
Really sorry to be asking the questions,just not at all legal minded as such.
Many thanks0 -
Also,what is AOS please as I can't find any reference to it.0
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No. Nowhere does it mention anything about sending any letter by post. You only need to ask for a 30 day extension if you need more time to gather more information. There's no need to prolong this in most cases.
Keep all communication with all parties to email. Email is the best possible medium for this as it includes full traceability.
The Newbies/FAQ thread has a full list of TLAs and other abreviations. AoS is something you do after receiving an actual claim form.
If you want to know whether a PCN is PoFA compliant, you should read the PoFA. Google is your friend.
Certain wording must be used as well as certain other conditions must be met if the PPC intends to rely on PoFA to hold the registered keeper liable for the PCN. Failing to strictly adhere to the conditions of PoFA means that only the driver can be held liable and in 99.99% of cases, the PPC has no idea who the driver is. Unfortunately, far too many victims of these PCNs reveal the identity of the driver on first contact with the PPC thus throwing away a "golden ticket" get out clause.
The Newbies/FAQ thread should be read thoroughly. A skim read will not suffice if you want to get on top of this.1 -
Hi,sorry,I must come across as a right dopey.
I have looked through it all and just can't take it all in and understand it,sorry. I know everyone on here really wants to help and must be frustrating for you.
The Charge Notice does state that they have obtained my details via the DVLA as the registered keeper and therefore I am liable and assumed to be the driver.
Does that mean they have applied PoFA correctly?
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I do only have up to the 16th Dec to reply to them.0
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