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cymruchris said:

user1977 said:

sevenhills said:

Car_54 said:

AFAIK there is no single definition of a 'built-up area.

So far as speed limits are concerned it was superseded long ago by the concept of a 'restricted road', which is defined by the presence of street lighting.

I recall a 30 mph zone where there were only houses on one side of the road, no path or any schools or parks on the other side. Not sure why they would need a 30 mph limit if no one was crossing the road.

Because it's not only about pedestrians crossing the road.

Yes exactly. There are sheep as well.

(It's not really about crossing the road - even with houses just on one side, the people that live there will want to bring in their shopping, clamber into a taxi, fall out of said taxi again at midnight after a few pints down the workingmans club - and so it's sensible not to have a 60mph national speed limit whizzing past their front door).

Plus vehicle movements - if there's a high concentration of minor road junctions and driveways, it makes sense to lower speed. And the noise and air pollution implications of having high speed traffic going through a residential area.

Vannaa

ontheroad1970 said:

It's already in force.  In South Wales, as far as I notice, most main roads are staying at 30 and side streets defaulting at 20.  Personally, I don't get the harping.

Nor me, haven't been anywhere in South Wales where I'm not aware of the speed limit.

ontheroad1970

Vannaa said:

ontheroad1970 said:

It's already in force.  In South Wales, as far as I notice, most main roads are staying at 30 and side streets defaulting at 20.  Personally, I don't get the harping.

Nor me, haven't been anywhere in South Wales where I'm not aware of the speed limit.

I find it amusing how much of a fuss Welsh Conservatives are making about it, since the legislation was championed by their leader and only one of their Senedd members voted against it.

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

TooManyPoints said:

...and so many people sit with the needle on 40 going at what is really around 36mph. 

Presumably you are talking about National Speed Limit roads, so why would they be travelling so slowly?

I think there are two main types, those who aren't comfortable on the road, which I can understand given the roads round here, particularly in wet weather, but if that's the case it doesn't hurt to stop in a layby one in a while and let the rest of us past.

The other type are the oblivious, they either don't know what that white circle with a black line through it means or they think because they are on holiday they can poodle about looking at the scenery and having a nice old drive without realising those of us who live here have kids to get to school, jobs to get to and normal things to do so would like to get on with it rather than spending our lives than being stuck in purgatory at 36mph for an eternity. 

ontheroad1970 said:

Vannaa said:

ontheroad1970 said:

It's already in force.  In South Wales, as far as I notice, most main roads are staying at 30 and side streets defaulting at 20.  Personally, I don't get the harping.

Nor me, haven't been anywhere in South Wales where I'm not aware of the speed limit.

I find it amusing how much of a fuss Welsh Conservatives are making about it, since the legislation was championed by their leader and only one of their Senedd members voted against it.

Politics in Wales is pretty poor, some of the traditional Conservative vote spills over into Plaid meaning Labour generally have weaker opposition so there's no reason for any of them to be great. 

Apart from Plaid wanting independence, I'm not sure what any of them actually stand for, but, going off topic, none of them seem to stand for improving health care, education and economic prosperity so the whole thing feels like a total waste of money.