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sevenhills

Yorkie1 said:

If you are in Wales, and the street lamps are every 198 yards apart (or less), and there are no repeater signs, then it is a restricted road and subject to 20mph. If there are repeater signs saying 30mph (or otherwise) then it's 30mph (or whatever the repeater signs say).

Basically, the new legislation has simply said that if it looked like a 30mph zone before, it's now a 20mph zone.
The local council will have to pass a byelaw to make it 30mph now, where before it had to use byelaws to make it 20mph.

Seems more complicated, when does it come into effect?

I passed my driving test in 1980, so I cannot believe what someone wrote online, I should go by what my Highway Code book says. Which is? When will it be in the new version?

Although I would imagine very few older drivers have read an up-to-date Highway Code.

ontheroad1970

It's already in force.  In South Wales, as far as I notice, most main roads are staying at 30 and side streets defaulting at 20.  Personally, I don't get the harping.

sheramber

sevenhills said:

Yorkie1 said:

If you are in Wales, and the street lamps are every 198 yards apart (or less), and there are no repeater signs, then it is a restricted road and subject to 20mph. If there are repeater signs saying 30mph (or otherwise) then it's 30mph (or whatever the repeater signs say).

Basically, the new legislation has simply said that if it looked like a 30mph zone before, it's now a 20mph zone.
The local council will have to pass a byelaw to make it 30mph now, where before it had to use byelaws to make it 20mph.

Seems more complicated, when does it come into effect?

I passed my driving test in 1980, so I cannot believe what someone wrote online, I should go by what my Highway Code book says. Which is? When will it be in the new version?

Although I would imagine very few older drivers have read an up-to-date Highway Code.

Highway Code already updated

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

National speed limits

The following speed limits apply to all single and dual carriageways with street lights, unless there are signs showing otherwise:

• 30 miles per hour (48km/h) in England, Scotland or Northern Ireland
• 20 miles per hour (32km/h) in Wales

Jaybee_16

Residents in Wales should have received a leaflet delivered by Royal Mail. Mine arrived a couple of weeks ago. 
'When you see streetlights, assume the speed limit is 20mph unless you see signs that say otherwise.'

ch3shirecat4

I don't live in wales but I do feel sorry for all you guys having to do 20mph in certain places like surely people are going to be going at snail's pace where it isnt even needed

Jaybee_16

It appears that all villages are to become 20mph, the only advice is to pay attention to the road signs. My nine mile journey to Tesco in the nearest town used to be a mixture of 30/40/50/70mph but now is:
30/20/30/40/50/40/30(soon to be 20)/50/30/20/30/50/30/20/30/40/50/30/70/30/20/30/20. At least the locals know where the speed camera vans are likely to be as they always stop in the same locations.

sevenhills

sheramber said:

Highway Code already updated

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

National speed limits

The following speed limits apply to all single and dual carriageways with street lights, unless there are signs showing otherwise:

• 30 miles per hour (48km/h) in England, Scotland or Northern Ireland
• 20 miles per hour (32km/h) in Wales

I was referring to the printed version, not every driver is online. That is the .gov website

cymruchris

For those living in Wales, or who often travel to Wales - there's an online petition on the Welsh government website against the change, due to it being a blanket speed limit with no local involvement in terms of deciding which roads are or aren't suitable. Personally I support the move for areas around schools/shops/community centres - but there are quite a few stretches where it just doesn't seem practical. The implementation at the moment doesn't seem as good as it could have been.

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

Grey_Critic

Should be fun if you are doing 20 mph and a cyclist passes you doing 25mph plus (and they do) my son does Time Trials and averages are a lot more than 20mph

CliveOfIndia

Grey_Critic said:

Should be fun if you are doing 20 mph and a cyclist passes you doing 25mph plus (and they do) my son does Time Trials and averages are a lot more than 20mph

This one has always intrigued me.  Years ago (and I mean many years, when speed cameras were few and far between), when I was a kid, they installed a speed camera at the bottom of a really steep hill.  Me and my mates would go pelting down the hill on our bikes, trying to trigger it.

The prevailing wisdom at the time was that a cyclist cannot be done for speeding because a speedometer is not a legal requirement on a bike (I had one, just for curiosity more than anything else).  Obviously a speed camera can't "get" you anyway, as there's no registration plate, but a copper with a speed gun might try.

But supposedly you could get done for "dangerous cycling" or some such.  I've no idea if this is true or not - I was about 12 years old at the time !  But it's an interesting idea.