Can smart meter be fitted without my permission and when not present at the property?

QrizB

MattMattMattUK said:

Many of them seem to think that the private property should be appropriated. Personally I am in favour of the government investing in energy production, specifically building, owning and operating several hundred nuclear reactors so we can transition all our energy needs away from fossil fuels.

You don't need hundreds; a dozen Hinkley Point Cs would pretty much cover the entire UK electricity demand.

rp1974

powerful_Rogue said:

2 hours of free electricity yesterday and another 2 hours free today thanks to Octupus Powerups.

Horrible things these smart meters letting me charge my home batteries and EV along with running the dishwasher and washing machine for free!

Don't think you should take up a career as a tin foil hat salesperson anytime soon.

MattMattMattUK

Dolor said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Dolor said:

Qyburn said:

Dolor said:

Let me give you one example of the challenges that Grid managers face. Today is a windy day in many parts of the Country. Wind farms are producing energy in an amount that the Grid cannot cope with. Grid managers have 2 options: one, pay wind farm operators to turn off their turbines until the wind speed drops, 

That's one of the stupidest things about the privatised energy system. What other industry pays companies to stop producing when their product isn't needed?

Possibly, but if you don’t pay constraint payments companies will not invest. Posters keep alluding to the fact that energy companies should be nationalised but I have yet to see any cogent plan as to how we ( taxpayers) would pay for it. 

Many of them seem to think that the private property should be appropriated. Personally I am in favour of the government investing in energy production, specifically building, owning and operating several hundred nuclear reactors so we can transition all our energy needs away from fossil fuels.

Sadly, as HS2 and smart metering demonstrates , Governments and civil servants are not very good at managing complex projects. Several hundred nuclear reactors all sound great in theory but everyone of them would pose ‘a real and ever present danger’ to those living near to them. In this regard, they would all need extremely expensive security and protection.

They would not, reactors are already very safe, modern designs even more so. They are already guarded by the Civil Nuclear Constabulary which is an armed police force protecting non-military nuclear sites. Nuclear is safe, the issue is people's irrational fear. 

QrizB said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Many of them seem to think that the private property should be appropriated. Personally I am in favour of the government investing in energy production, specifically building, owning and operating several hundred nuclear reactors so we can transition all our energy needs away from fossil fuels.

You don't need hundreds; a dozen Hinkley Point Cs would pretty much cover the entire UK electricity demand.

Only if you base that on current electricity demand. Hinkley Point C is two reactors, the UK would need 80-140 reactors of that size to take care of it's total energy demand based on a complete transition from fossil fuels, so all road transport to electricity, home heating via electricity (mostly using heat pumps), industrial use etc. Current demand could be met with around a dozen plants / 20-30 reactors, but that does not cover our need to decarbonise everything else as well. 

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They would not, reactors are already very safe, modern designs even more so. They are already guarded by the Civil Nuclear Constabulary which is an armed police force protecting non-military nuclear sites. Nuclear is safe, the issue is people's irrational fear. 

Nothing to do with being irrational about nuclear safety. The reason why nuclear sites are protected is because they provide an attractive target for malign actors. This is why they are ‘a real and present danger’ The proposal was for hundreds of small nuclear reactors. Each reactor site would need to be physically and electronically protected. A specialist force comprising of 1500 personnel (including support staff) is not going to satisfy the security requirement.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/26/security-warnings-at-uk-nuclear-energy-facilities-hit-12-year-high

mongoose2009

powerful_Rogue said:

2 hours of free electricity yesterday and another 2 hours free today thanks to Octupus Powerups.

Horrible things these smart meters letting me charge my home batteries and EV along with running the dishwasher and washing machine for free!

there is no free

thats  what the "green" subsidies are on you bill

I have a friend with a £12 k solar battery system and he thought his leccy was free

amortized over 20 yrs that £600 yr

so not free

QrizB

mongoose2009 said:

I have a friend with a £12 k solar battery system ...
amortized over 20 yrs that £600 yr

Hopefully your friend is earning more than £600 a year in export payments!

Not sure what any of this has to do with the OP's smart meter installation, though?

ArbitraryRandom

MattMattMattUK said:

Dolor said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Dolor said:

Qyburn said:

Dolor said:

Let me give you one example of the challenges that Grid managers face. Today is a windy day in many parts of the Country. Wind farms are producing energy in an amount that the Grid cannot cope with. Grid managers have 2 options: one, pay wind farm operators to turn off their turbines until the wind speed drops, 

That's one of the stupidest things about the privatised energy system. What other industry pays companies to stop producing when their product isn't needed?

Possibly, but if you don’t pay constraint payments companies will not invest. Posters keep alluding to the fact that energy companies should be nationalised but I have yet to see any cogent plan as to how we ( taxpayers) would pay for it. 

Many of them seem to think that the private property should be appropriated. Personally I am in favour of the government investing in energy production, specifically building, owning and operating several hundred nuclear reactors so we can transition all our energy needs away from fossil fuels.

Sadly, as HS2 and smart metering demonstrates , Governments and civil servants are not very good at managing complex projects. Several hundred nuclear reactors all sound great in theory but everyone of them would pose ‘a real and ever present danger’ to those living near to them. In this regard, they would all need extremely expensive security and protection.

They would not, reactors are already very safe, modern designs even more so. They are already guarded by the Civil Nuclear Constabulary which is an armed police force protecting non-military nuclear sites. Nuclear is safe, the issue is people's irrational fear. 

I get the impression some people think nuclear power is a 'new' thing to the UK... there's currently 9 operational reactors, domestic nuclear was producing nearly 30% of our energy back in the late 90's, and Calder Hall was the first in the world to produce commercial electricity (in the 1950's).

As you say, technology has come on a long way and the practicalities of building/operating them well understood.  

Gerry1

Can nuclear reactor be fitted without my permission and when not present In My Back Yard?

rp1974

Answer to OP's question from the outset was that yes they can,which remains the case,however much the OP disagrees,perhaps unsurprising though given their self stated secret squirrel special knowledge insider status.
My initial thoughts when originally posted were that it was going to be one of "those" threads,pretty much confirmed .

Zandoni

I think smart meters are a complete and utter waste of money, scrapping perfectly good working meters is scandalous. Unfortunately though when a meter meets it's ficticious end of life they will be fitted.