Does working effect PIP?

Coldste

So I currently claim PIP daily living component, ESA the one were you don’t have to look for or take steps towards work (can’t remember the official term for it)  and my mum gets carers allowance, due to me having autism. Only saying I have autism before anyone pounces and says there can’t be much wrong with me claiming disability but wanting to work in construction. I’m looking at getting off benefits and get paid work as a construction labourer either direct employment or via an apprenticeship since I can work just as hard as anyone else despite having autism and unless I told you I look just like any 30 year old guy.

If I come off benefits will I lose PIP entirely. The carers allowance is going to be lost anyway since mum hits retirement age next year. ESA I know is dependent on hours and how much you earn. But could I still claim PIP if say I work like 40 hours a week? Only my auntie said to me mum (mum’s probably got it wrong) it’s very very hard to get back on PIP if you come off 

Spoonie_Turtle

PIP is about the effects of your disability on daily living and/or mobility.  It's not means-tested at all and lots of people claim PIP as well as work.

Depending on your mother's circumstances, being your carer when she reaches pension age would increase any potential eligibility for Pension Credit.

Coldste

Spoonie_Turtle said:

PIP is about the effects of your disability on daily living and/or mobility.  It's not means-tested at all and lots of people claim PIP as well as work.

Depending on your mother's circumstances, being your carer when she reaches pension age would increase any potential eligibility for Pension Credit.

Thanks for the info, I know all me mum gets is the PIP it’s made out in my name the claim which I said to have paid to her since so it’s sort of like rent money in a way. And some pension money from me late dads employer. Other wise she doesn’t get anything else, looked at the Pension Credit and I think she might be eligible 

Charles_Foxtrot

Coldste said:

If I come off benefits will I lose PIP entirely. The carers allowance is going to be lost anyway since mum hits retirement age next year. ESA I know is dependent on hours and how much you earn. But could I still claim PIP if say I work like 40 hours a week? Only my auntie said to me mum (mum’s probably got it wrong) it’s very very hard to get back on PIP if you come off 

It sounds like you’re on contribution ESA / support group (where the award is indefinite, not related to assets or savings), but if and when  you start work that benefit will stop, as it’s for people who cannot work. There are exceptions like “permitted supported work” for up to 
16 hours per week and under supervision of an employer that can cater to disabilities. To this day I’ve never figured out how that works.

As Spoonie said, PIP is not based on your ability to work. However, if you are currently awarded points in a category that indicated you can’t work (mixing with people for example), or cannot travel without assistance (and get a job where you need to travel about a lot on your own), by virtue of having the job you show that you can do those activities reliably.

Spoonie_Turtle

ESA Permitted Work is up to less than 16hrs per week and £167/week after NI and tax.  You can do work under the thresholds and keep your full ESA amount (but be aware that if your work contradicts the reasons you've been awarded ESA, you should tell them as a change of health circumstances).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

If you were to claim UC, if eligible, there are no set thresholds for hours or earnings.

poppy12345

Spoonie_Turtle said:

ESA Permitted Work is up to 16hrs per week and £167/week after NI and tax.

That's not correct, it must be less than 16 hours/week. If you work up to 16 hours then the ESA ends.

PixelPound

Someone I work with gets PIP for mobility. Works full time, so as has been said yes you can.

As to what your aunty said, surely it's not the harder to go back on, but more like you have to go through the whole application process before you get money again. In addition, as has been mentioned, if your employment requires you to do something you are getting PIP for (e.g. mixing with people) it would be hard to then try and claim for that again when you've demonstrated it's not effecting you as such. Of course I guess it's more a case of what happens if you try but your condition intervenes so that you can't carry on.

Is there any reason why you want to be a construction labourer? It's just it's often called "a young person's job", and all the groundworkers, etc I know tend to look to change once say mid-30's (e.g. supervisor or move into another job completely). I'm not trying to discourage you, and it's great that you want to get off of benefits.

Spoonie_Turtle

poppy12345 said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

ESA Permitted Work is up to 16hrs per week and £167/week after NI and tax.

That's not correct, it must be less than 16 hours/week. If you work up to 16 hours then the ESA ends.

Thanks, in my mind at the time it was the same thing but always best to be as clear as possible.  Edited my comment now.

Bigwheels1111

My nephew gets pip, he is autistic.
He works and earns 45k a year at 21.
Unable to leave the house, without someone ie Mum or Dad.
But walk from his bed room to next bedroom and start work on his pc.
That he can do.

Charles_Foxtrot

poppy12345 said:That's not correct, it must be less than 16 hours/week. If you work up to 16 hours then the ESA ends. 

Would you know how exactly one on contribution based ESA could find this permitted supported work? It’s not like I can get a job somewhere and work 15 hours a week. I’ve contacted my job centre, my local council, three different mental health charities and not a scooby on what to actually do. Apparently it needs to be supervised by someone approved by the DWP to oversee workers with disabilities. It’s pretty crazy.

through what channels can I obtain “supported permitted work?” 

Spoonie_Turtle

Charles_Foxtrot said:

poppy12345 said:That's not correct, it must be less than 16 hours/week. If you work up to 16 hours then the ESA ends. 

Would you know how exactly one on contribution based ESA could find this permitted supported work? It’s not like I can get a job somewhere and work 15 hours a week. I’ve contacted my job centre, my local council, three different mental health charities and not a scooby on what to actually do. Apparently it needs to be supervised by someone approved by the DWP to oversee workers with disabilities. It’s pretty crazy.

through what channels can I obtain “supported permitted work?” 

You seem to conflating two things, based on this comment and one previous.

Permitted work is any ordinary job as long as the person doesn't go over the hours or earnings threshold.  Doesn't have to be 15hrs, it could be much less than that.  The only involvement DWP would have is receiving the form a person claiming ESA has to complete to let them know they're working (PW1).

Supported permitted work is something more specialist and like you I have no idea how one would go about finding any.  (Is it what Remploy used to be?  Does supported PW even exist any more, or is reference to it a holdover like the £20 lower earnings threshold in the guidance?)