My boss does not want me to have operation.

CKhalvashi

As above, please don't return back to work sooner than advised.

I was really ill at the start of this month, went back for 4 days of short days, office only before even dreaming of going back to my regular routine (long days with a lot of mental stress).

You are the most important thing here, not the plans of your employer. Your team will find a way to survive in the meantime.

redux

The fact that the GP and hospital have moved that fast should be enough to convince the employer.

And don't rush back. As well as some full days off to recover, ask to come back initially part-time on shorter days after that.

Purplelady65

I would take the first surgery date you’ve been offered in July. A potential date in September may never happen. You have been very fortunate to be offered surgery so quickly. My OH had to wait over 18 months for his hernia repair. Make sure you get a sick note and your employer will just have to manage without you whilst you are on sick leave. That’s their problem and not yours. 

clive0510

zagubov said:

This is Dickensian!
We're in the 21st century not the Victorian age and you're not supposed to put up with being ill.
Talk to your union rep if there's any further hassle.
If your organisation doesn't have a union rep, it sounds very much like they need one.

thanks for the reply. we have no union at all where I work. small private company. no sick pay scheme in place apart from ssp. Its from working for small independant companies over the years, that's caused this in the 1st place. carrying heavy boxes of stuff around, unloading lorries etc. thats fine when you're a fit young man. but I'm not fit or young any moire!

Albermarle

clive0510 said:

zagubov said:

This is Dickensian!
We're in the 21st century not the Victorian age and you're not supposed to put up with being ill.
Talk to your union rep if there's any further hassle.
If your organisation doesn't have a union rep, it sounds very much like they need one.

thanks for the reply. we have no union at all where I work. small private company. no sick pay scheme in place apart from ssp. Its from working for small independant companies over the years, that's caused this in the 1st place. carrying heavy boxes of stuff around, unloading lorries etc. thats fine when you're a fit young man. but I'm not fit or young any moire!

The fact you have a physical job, makes it doubly important you do not delay getting the operation.

GrubbyGirl_2

Maybe your boss would like to pay for you to go privately and you could have it done and be back before everyone goes on holiday? Otherwise take the slot that’s been offered 

elsien

clive0510 said:

zagubov said:

This is Dickensian!
We're in the 21st century not the Victorian age and you're not supposed to put up with being ill.
Talk to your union rep if there's any further hassle.
If your organisation doesn't have a union rep, it sounds very much like they need one.

thanks for the reply. we have no union at all where I work. small private company. no sick pay scheme in place apart from ssp. Its from working for small independant companies over the years, that's caused this in the 1st place. carrying heavy boxes of stuff around, unloading lorries etc. thats fine when you're a fit young man. but I'm not fit or young any moire!

Just because there’s no union rep in the workplace, and the company doesn’t recognise unions, doesn’t mean that you can’t join one as an individual, and get their support if you need it.

zagubov

elsien said:

clive0510 said:

zagubov said:

This is Dickensian!
We're in the 21st century not the Victorian age and you're not supposed to put up with being ill.
Talk to your union rep if there's any further hassle.
If your organisation doesn't have a union rep, it sounds very much like they need one.

thanks for the reply. we have no union at all where I work. small private company. no sick pay scheme in place apart from ssp. Its from working for small independant companies over the years, that's caused this in the 1st place. carrying heavy boxes of stuff around, unloading lorries etc. thats fine when you're a fit young man. but I'm not fit or young any moire!

Just because there’s no union rep in the workplace, and the company doesn’t recognise unions, doesn’t mean that you can’t join one as an individual, and get their support if you need it.

I'll be upfront and say I'm a union rep and this is exactly the kind of situation that makes unions necessary.
I'm livid that bosses think their profits should trump your health and well-being.
This isn't the Victorian era or the USA. I hope you can get some support from a relevant union, as you really need it.

DullGreyGuy

Universidad said:

DullGreyGuy said:

You have no statutory right for time off for medical procedures in the UK 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're over interpreting this bit of advice.

You're not legally entitled to attend medical appointments in work hours, but if you're not well enough to work you are entitled to sick leave (and may be entitled to sick pay).

After an operation, I believe the recovery period in which you are not fit for work would be covered under sickness absence, rather than considered an extended medical appointment.

As routine surgery it would ordinarily be done during normal working hours... ok we dont know what the OP does but it seems like they were asking their boss for leave to cover both the Op and the subsequent recovery. The Op itself would be a "medical appointment".

Have already acknowledged that if the OP is too sick to attend work pre-Op that they naturally can get a fit note but we are just over a week away from the planned date and the OP is still in work so would "require" a convenient deterioration in their condition or a GP willing to write false fit notes. 

Pollycat

DullGreyGuy said:

Universidad said:

DullGreyGuy said:

You have no statutory right for time off for medical procedures in the UK 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're over interpreting this bit of advice.

You're not legally entitled to attend medical appointments in work hours, but if you're not well enough to work you are entitled to sick leave (and may be entitled to sick pay).

After an operation, I believe the recovery period in which you are not fit for work would be covered under sickness absence, rather than considered an extended medical appointment.

As routine surgery it would ordinarily be done during normal working hours... ok we dont know what the OP does but it seems like they were asking their boss for leave to cover both the Op and the subsequent recovery. The Op itself would be a "medical appointment".

Have already acknowledged that if the OP is too sick to attend work pre-Op that they naturally can get a fit note but we are just over a week away from the planned date and the OP is still in work so would "require" a convenient deterioration in their condition or a GP willing to write false fit notes. 

I'm not sure that I follow this.

Is the OP asking for a sick note to cover before the operation (as you put it 'pre-op')?

I though the problem was post-op sick leave for recovery.

Once the OP has had the operation his condition will be a deterioration from what it is now - hopefully only temporarily.
I suspect most operations are the same.
I was perfectly fine (apart from the issue I had) until I had out-patient planned surgery which put me off my feet for a week in a cast and then 8 weeks in a boot using crutches.
I would have been perfectly well to go to work until the day before the surgery (had I not been retired) and the consultant who did the operation would have given me a sick note to cover me until my 8 week assessment proved I was fit to return to work.

Apologies if I've missed that the OP wants time off before the operation.