No Fault Evictions {Merged}

Yellowsub2000

Sarah1Mitty2 said:

Dustyevsky said:

ProDave said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

LegallyLandlord said:

Here’s a blog post about what the potential abolition of s21 means for landlords and renters alike. 

https://theindependentlandlord.com/section-21-abolition/

ending the abuse of “no fault”, or Section 21, evictions – a move that has wide support. Unscrupulous landlords have used the prospect of Section 21 to intimidate tenants into accepting substandard conditions – from damp and mould to other health hazards – or face losing their homes altogether.

There is a HUGE problem with the UK's old substandard housing stock. 

Suggestions on a postcard to the policy makers how to solve it?  They clearly don't have an answer.

I think they do. Have them condemned,bought up by a big corp like Lloyds, knock them down and then rebuild 10 times as many units on the same space to rent to the plebs.

The demand isn`t there for that sort of number, at the first hint of recession there will be empty units everywhere at the present numbers.

It’s kind of already starting 

this will take years to play out

Sarah1Mitty2

eddddy said:

Sarah1Mitty2 said:

...can`t see how landlords are going to "offload" properties though if it is harder to evict and the market for these properties now has to pay 3 times the mortgage debt costs they would have previously?

It won't be harder to evict - if landlords want to sell the property.

I expect it will be exactly the same as today.

That would still leave the problem (for the landlord) of the debt costs for their potential buyers being much higher than previously. I think from a government level the plan is to flood the market with cheap property so that the banks can keep lending, hence more and more hoops for landlords to jump through, they are an easy target after all?

jimbog

Yellowsub2000 said:

eddddy said:

Sarah1Mitty2 said:

...can`t see how landlords are going to "offload" properties though if it is harder to evict and the market for these properties now has to pay 3 times the mortgage debt costs they would have previously?

It won't be harder to evict - if landlords want to sell the property.

I expect it will be exactly the same as today.

You obviously have not read the rent reform bill.

you are so wrong and you don’t even know how wrong your statement is

Having read the Rent Reform Bill the only section that relates to evictions in order to sell a property is:  
we will introduce a new ground for landlords who wish to sell their property and allow landlords and their close family members to move into a rental property. 

What in @edddy's statement is 'so wrong'? There is nothing stopping a landlord having evicted a tenant to 'change their mind' about selling and instead 'decide' to re-let 

km1500

@eddy is correct - there will be a new mandatory ground for possession when a landlord wishes to sell the property

the only problem might be that legally the tenant can refuse entry to anyone while they are living there and thus it might be difficult to get potential purchasers into the property to look around before making an offer

or in may be that you get posession simply by saying you want to sell, and start marketing and viewings once the tenant has left

eddddy

Yellowsub2000 said:

eddddy said:

Sarah1Mitty2 said:

...can`t see how landlords are going to "offload" properties though if it is harder to evict and the market for these properties now has to pay 3 times the mortgage debt costs they would have previously?

It won't be harder to evict - if landlords want to sell the property.

I expect it will be exactly the same as today.

You obviously have not read the rent reform bill.

you are so wrong and you don’t even know how wrong your statement is

Can you clarify what you mean?

Are you arguing that it will be easier for landlords to evict when they want to sell (e.g. because of the 6 month rule), or harder to evict?


Here are the relevant extracts from the bill...

CHANGES TO GROUNDS FOR POSSESSION

Schedule 2 to the 1988 Act (grounds for possession of dwelling-houses let on assured tenancies) is amended as follows. 

....

After Ground 1 insert— “Ground 1A The following conditions are met—

(a) the landlord who is seeking possession intends to sell the dwelling-house; 

(b) the assured tenancy on which the dwelling-house is let did not come into being by virtue of any provision of Schedule 1 to the Rent Act 1977 or section 4 of the Rent (Agriculture) Act 1976;

(c) at the date specified in the notice under section 8, either—
(i) the current tenancy has existed for at least 6 months,or
(ii) a compulsory purchase order which authorises 10 purchase of the dwelling-house has become operative and the landlord intends to sell the dwelling-house to the person authorised by the compulsory purchase order to purchase it;

(d) the landlord seeking possession is not—
(i) a non-profit registered provider of social housing,
(ii) a registered social landlord within the meaning of 15 the Housing Act 1985 (see section 5(4) and (5) of that Act),
(iii) a housing trust, within the meaning of the Housing Associations Act 1985, which is a charity, or
(iv) where the dwelling-house is social housing within 20 the meaning of Part 2 of the Housing and Regeneration Act 2008, a profit-making registered provider of social housing.

 In paragraph (c)(ii), “sell” includes transfer.” 


Link: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-03/0308/220308.pdf

km1500

 New and changed grounds of possession (in schedule 3) are:

Ground 1 (amended) – property required for landlord or family member to live in as principle or only home. Can only be notice served after 6 months. Requirement for notice prior to start of tenancy that this ground may be used removed. Relevant family members are:

(a) the landlord;
(b) the landlord’s spouse or civil partner or a person with whom
the landlord lives as if they were married or in a civil 15 partnership;
(c) the landlord’s—
(i) parent;
(ii) grandparent;
(iii) sibling;
(iv) child;
(v) grandchild;
(d) a child or grandchild of a person mentioned in paragraph (b).

If the landlord uses this ground of possession (or if the tenant leaves after service of the notice on this ground), then  the landlord cannot let or advertise to let the property  for the next 3 months. If the landlord does let inside the three months then the Local Authority may impose a financial penalty of up to £5000 or prosecute for a criminal offence. The fine may be recurring if the contravention continues for a further 28 days.

noitsnotme

Yellowsub2000 said:

eddddy said:

Sarah1Mitty2 said:

...can`t see how landlords are going to "offload" properties though if it is harder to evict and the market for these properties now has to pay 3 times the mortgage debt costs they would have previously?

It won't be harder to evict - if landlords want to sell the property.

I expect it will be exactly the same as today.

You obviously have not read the rent reform bill.

you are so wrong and you don’t even know how wrong your statement is

Oh, the irony!

Yellowsub2000

jimbog said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

eddddy said:

Sarah1Mitty2 said:

...can`t see how landlords are going to "offload" properties though if it is harder to evict and the market for these properties now has to pay 3 times the mortgage debt costs they would have previously?

It won't be harder to evict - if landlords want to sell the property.

I expect it will be exactly the same as today.

You obviously have not read the rent reform bill.

you are so wrong and you don’t even know how wrong your statement is

Having read the Rent Reform Bill the only section that relates to evictions in order to sell a property is:  
we will introduce a new ground for landlords who wish to sell their property and allow landlords and their close family members to move into a rental property. 

What in @edddy's statement is 'so wrong'? There is nothing stopping a landlord having evicted a tenant to 'change their mind' about selling and instead 'decide' to re-let 

This part

” I expect it will be exactly the same as today.”


I know this is wrong because there are proposed changes

Yellowsub2000

km1500 said:

@eddy is correct - there will be a new mandatory ground for possession when a landlord wishes to sell the property

the only problem might be that legally the tenant can refuse entry to anyone while they are living there and thus it might be difficult to get potential purchasers into the property to look around before making an offer

or in may be that you get posession simply by saying you want to sell, and start marketing and viewings once the tenant has left

Plus if the tenants are unhappy it may take a year of costly court and balliff fees

then they don’t exactly leave the property in top condition when they finally get kicked out

caprikid1

From what I can see.

The big corporates want HMOC's / Flats so all these properties leaving small landlords will get turned into that configuration.

Housing association are often poorly maintained carpetless shells ....

Those that supply the rest will leave the market. If you think that works for you then all good, but don't assume you can get a housing association property and I assume you don't want a room in a house of random strangers.

But what do I know this is all a good thing. 

The problem is that although these properties do not vanish they won't return to the rental market in a format that they left in, leaving the average private renter with a problem.

Look at properties for Rent in Bristol BS15 and surrounding areas ??? You will see a volume of houses all showing the same pictures in their adverts and similar internal designs, all the three bed properties purchased and turned into HMOC's...