No Fault Evictions {Merged}

MultiFuelBurner

What LL in their right mind is going to let to those on universal credit or housing benefit?

If the housing departments default line is stay until a court order.

Yellowsub2000

MultiFuelBurner said:

What LL in their right mind is going to let to those on universal credit or housing benefit?

If the housing departments default line is stay until a court order.

True.

but the crisis means many are going onto UC after they have moved in.

Yellowsub2000

LegallyLandlord said:

Here’s a blog post about what the potential abolition of s21 means for landlords and renters alike. 

https://theindependentlandlord.com/section-21-abolition/

ending the abuse of “no fault”, or Section 21, evictions – a move that has wide support. Unscrupulous landlords have used the prospect of Section 21 to intimidate tenants into accepting substandard conditions – from damp and mould to other health hazards – or face losing their homes altogether.

MultiFuelBurner

Yellowsub2000 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

What LL in their right mind is going to let to those on universal credit or housing benefit?

If the housing departments default line is stay until a court order.

True.

but the crisis means many are going onto UC after they have moved in.

Going to have to ask you for statistics again, how many is many as a percentage of those in employment that rent then go on UC?

You probably need to clarify your statements with in my opinion?

ProDave

Yellowsub2000 said:

LegallyLandlord said:

Here’s a blog post about what the potential abolition of s21 means for landlords and renters alike. 

https://theindependentlandlord.com/section-21-abolition/

ending the abuse of “no fault”, or Section 21, evictions – a move that has wide support. Unscrupulous landlords have used the prospect of Section 21 to intimidate tenants into accepting substandard conditions – from damp and mould to other health hazards – or face losing their homes altogether.

There is a HUGE problem with the UK's old substandard housing stock.  I grew up as a child in an uninsulated 1930's house.  Condensation on the windows and in some places on the walls was considered normal, that was just how it was.  The laws of physics say moisture in the air, particularly if the house is cold, will condense on a cold surface.

Move on 50 years, cold damp and mouldy houses are no longer acceptable to tenants.  But physics has not changed, and most of these houses while they may have been "modernised" little if anything has been done to improve the fabric of the building so the same problems will be there.  You can keep on top of it by heating the property well enough and ventilating it properly and taking care with your lifestyle to minimise the moisture in the air.  But a poor tenant who can't afford to put the heating on much if at all, and who turns off the bathroom fan because it is too noisy and hangs the washing inside to dry because they can;t afford to use a tumble dryer etc will have damp issues in an old house.

We still don't have a proper policy in this country how to solve this.  The higher EPC requirements for rental will as this discussion has shown, have landlords with these old properties evicting and selling now while they can because they can't afford to do the massive amount of work needed to properly upgrade them.  So they hope naive buyers will buy them instead and then wonder how to fix the problem.

If the policy makers think for one minute houses are damp because the LL does not care and there is a cheap and easy fix if only the nasty LL would get off his but and do it,and this change in policy will make them fix the damp, then they are in la la land.  Even social landlords with old properties and bigger pockets cannot solve this damp problem in old houses.

Suggestions on a postcard to the policy makers how to solve it?  They clearly don't have an answer.

Dustyevsky

ProDave said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

LegallyLandlord said:

Here’s a blog post about what the potential abolition of s21 means for landlords and renters alike. 

https://theindependentlandlord.com/section-21-abolition/

ending the abuse of “no fault”, or Section 21, evictions – a move that has wide support. Unscrupulous landlords have used the prospect of Section 21 to intimidate tenants into accepting substandard conditions – from damp and mould to other health hazards – or face losing their homes altogether.

There is a HUGE problem with the UK's old substandard housing stock. 

Suggestions on a postcard to the policy makers how to solve it?  They clearly don't have an answer.

I think they do. Have them condemned,bought up by a big corp like Lloyds, knock them down and then rebuild 10 times as many units on the same space to rent to the plebs.

Section62

Yellowsub2000 said:

lookstraightahead said:

I think landlords will just decide it's not worth it and will sell up. This will push up rents and decrease availability. I think it's an awful idea. Bad landlords will always be bad landlords. 

With all these LLs trying to sell, who are they going to sell to?

They will sell to corporate landlords that have the resources and muscle to still make a profit despite the extra layers of work required to let property.

Therefore prices won't crash, and the other stuff in your post won't happen.

YoungBlueEyes

And, landlords are selling up and tenants are moving out beforehand, and people looking for a house to live in buy a house and then live in it.

Yellowsub2000

ProDave said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

LegallyLandlord said:

Here’s a blog post about what the potential abolition of s21 means for landlords and renters alike. 

https://theindependentlandlord.com/section-21-abolition/

ending the abuse of “no fault”, or Section 21, evictions – a move that has wide support. Unscrupulous landlords have used the prospect of Section 21 to intimidate tenants into accepting substandard conditions – from damp and mould to other health hazards – or face losing their homes altogether.

There is a HUGE problem with the UK's old substandard housing stock.  I grew up as a child in an uninsulated 1930's house.  Condensation on the windows and in some places on the walls was considered normal, that was just how it was.  The laws of physics say moisture in the air, particularly if the house is cold, will condense on a cold surface.

Move on 50 years, cold damp and mouldy houses are no longer acceptable to tenants.  But physics has not changed, and most of these houses while they may have been "modernised" little if anything has been done to improve the fabric of the building so the same problems will be there.  You can keep on top of it by heating the property well enough and ventilating it properly and taking care with your lifestyle to minimise the moisture in the air.  But a poor tenant who can't afford to put the heating on much if at all, and who turns off the bathroom fan because it is too noisy and hangs the washing inside to dry because they can;t afford to use a tumble dryer etc will have damp issues in an old house.

We still don't have a proper policy in this country how to solve this.  The higher EPC requirements for rental will as this discussion has shown, have landlords with these old properties evicting and selling now while they can because they can't afford to do the massive amount of work needed to properly upgrade them.  So they hope naive buyers will buy them instead and then wonder how to fix the problem.

If the policy makers think for one minute houses are damp because the LL does not care and there is a cheap and easy fix if only the nasty LL would get off his but and do it,and this change in policy will make them fix the damp, then they are in la la land.  Even social landlords with old properties and bigger pockets cannot solve this damp problem in old houses.

Suggestions on a postcard to the policy makers how to solve it?  They clearly don't have an answer.

The new ombudsman will have powers to put things right, including compelling landlords to issue an apology, provide information, take remedial action and/or pay compensation of up to £25,000. Any landlords that don't sign up will face enforcement action.

Section62

Dustyevsky said:

ProDave said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

LegallyLandlord said:

Here’s a blog post about what the potential abolition of s21 means for landlords and renters alike. 

https://theindependentlandlord.com/section-21-abolition/

ending the abuse of “no fault”, or Section 21, evictions – a move that has wide support. Unscrupulous landlords have used the prospect of Section 21 to intimidate tenants into accepting substandard conditions – from damp and mould to other health hazards – or face losing their homes altogether.

There is a HUGE problem with the UK's old substandard housing stock. 

Suggestions on a postcard to the policy makers how to solve it?  They clearly don't have an answer.

I think they do. Have them condemned,bought up by a big corp like Lloyds, knock them down and then rebuild 10 times as many units on the same space to rent to the plebs.

Which is what has been happening with social housing "regeneration" projects for the last 20 years or so... albeit the bank funding is two or three corporations removed from the name of the "regeneration partner" whose name appears on the development site signs.