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Claiming PIP with a good job
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leeloolee said:Spoonie_Turtle said:leeloolee said:Spoonie_Turtle said:leeloolee said:Spoonie_Turtle said:poppy12345 said:PIP is based on how your conditions affect you the majority of the time over a 12 month period. So at least 50% of the time. If you can complete an acitivity for 3-4 days per week, each week then you will not score any points for that activity.This link may help, don't know if it's been added as haven't looked back through the thread to check. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#daily-living-activities
Yes, but only if they can do it to an acceptable standard without unacceptable aftereffects.
To elaborate for the OP, "can" means "can without impacting your ability to do the other activities, and can do it as often as you need to". Reliably is the most important concept here, especially with fluctuating conditions. Do not make the mistake of interpreting 'can do it' literally - if doing an activity depletes your spoons and means you can't do other daily activities, that is not what's meant by 'can do it'.
Nondisabled people don't have to budget their energy or brainpower to be able to do these activities, that is the huge difference between us managing to do it with a struggle, and them simply doing it as the most basic part of their day.
Further info: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#reliability-1
Rather more in-depth if you wish: https://pipinfo.net/issues/reliably
If I need to do anything else other than cook, then I can't cook, if that makes sense. I couldn't, for example, make dinner, wash up, and then go to a yoga class or meet a friend for a drink. I just don't have the executive function or the energy for that. I am basically limited to one activity a day, and that includes essential things to keep me alive. I'm not sure how to convey this stuff to an assessor.
You convey it by explaining, every part of it and every effect it has on you. So like you've said above - "it takes me forever to do the prep, do the cooking, and then gather the energy to do all the washing up afterwards" (although the washing up isn't counted, but you can include it to paint a full and consistent picture) you'd explain why it takes you forever and then the effect afterwards, especially on any activities you'd reasonably be expected to do if you were to live a typical, nondisabled life.
The basic formula is 'tell them what difficulties you have with the activity' + 'explain why you have those difficulties', for typical days and on worse days.
To get a good idea of exactly what descriptors you would meet and thus how much you should score, you would need to read through the PIP guidance on gov.uk that's been linked a few times. Knowing how it's assessed and therefore how to tailor your answers may help to be able to tackle the form (you may wish to prepare thoughts and maybe draft something before actually applying, or you might be someone who needs the pressure of a deadline to actually be able to start; there's no one right or wrong way to approach it).
If I did get awarded PIP, would it be backdated to the date I submitted the claim?
An award is backdated to the date you phone up to start the claim."Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack1 -
leeloolee said:Spoonie_Turtle said:poppy12345 said:PIP is based on how your conditions affect you the majority of the time over a 12 month period. So at least 50% of the time. If you can complete an acitivity for 3-4 days per week, each week then you will not score any points for that activity.This link may help, don't know if it's been added as haven't looked back through the thread to check. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#daily-living-activities
Yes, but only if they can do it to an acceptable standard without unacceptable aftereffects.
To elaborate for the OP, "can" means "can without impacting your ability to do the other activities, and can do it as often as you need to". Reliably is the most important concept here, especially with fluctuating conditions. Do not make the mistake of interpreting 'can do it' literally - if doing an activity depletes your spoons and means you can't do other daily activities, that is not what's meant by 'can do it'.
Nondisabled people don't have to budget their energy or brainpower to be able to do these activities, that is the huge difference between us managing to do it with a struggle, and them simply doing it as the most basic part of their day.
Further info: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#reliability-1
Rather more in-depth if you wish: https://pipinfo.net/issues/reliably
If I need to do anything else other than cook, then I can't cook, if that makes sense. I couldn't, for example, make dinner, wash up, and then go to a yoga class or meet a friend for a drink. I just don't have the executive function or the energy for that. I am basically limited to one activity a day, and that includes essential things to keep me alive. I'm not sure how to convey this stuff to an assessor.
Note, that washing up is not part of the PIP activity.
If you can't repeat a task as reasonably required (due to the effects of the disability / illness), then this should also score points.
If you do decide to claim PIP, I would suggest seeing if you can get help from an experienced adviser at your local advice charity with the PIP2 form. Alternatively Benefits & Work have good members guides (but membership costs c.£20 p.a.) - https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-claims
The form is important, as assessors vary and some assessments are poor at taking reliability factors into account. If you do need to appeal a DWP decision to tribunal, then having a detailed, thorough, & consistent PIP form will be important.Alice Holt Forest situated some 4 miles south of Farnham forms the most northerly gateway to the South Downs National Park.2
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