RWG coverage?

PHK

savergrant said:

A little bit over my head, but the statement doesn't say band 20 is only for those services, just that they have full radio access to ee apart from those services, which they go on to describe as "further services" after the launch of 5g.
I wonder therefore whether the op is receiving a cellular signal through 1pmobile, or just wifi calling. Perhaps you could disconnect from wifi and see whether 1pmobile still shows a strong signal at your home.

At the moment I'm the UK we don't have standalone 5G. When you make a call the phone uses VoLTE on 4G . (It would be possible for a phone to drop to 3G but with the imminent switch off that would be pointless).

The upshot of this is that if you have 5G you'll also get VoLTE and by extension Wi-Fi Calling (as they are almost the same thing)

So once RWG have launched 5G, they'll have VoLTE . In theory they could limit VoLTE to 5G customers but I think that unlikely because of the confusion it would cause.

Edit: here's Vodafone's press release about the first trial of standalone 5G in the UK. https://www.vodafone.co.uk/newscentre/news/uk-first-5g-standalone-trial-network-switched-on/

ProDave

We have history of launching half baked ill thought out "standards" then butchering about with them later to add the features that really should have been there from the start, without messing up the original bit.

4G was the same, for data only.  It was only some time later, some bright spark said "wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to use 4G to make telephone calls?"  Doh.

flaneurs_lobster

ProDave said:

We have history of launching half baked ill thought out "standards" then butchering about with them later to add the features that really should have been there from the start, without messing up the original bit.

4G was the same, for data only.  It was only some time later, some bright spark said "wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to use 4G to make telephone calls?"  Doh.

I think quite a lot of the drip-feeding of the additional features is an attempt by the mobile operators to differentiate their premium service (and greater prices) from the MVNOs. Some (Vodafone) even have tiered levels of contract (Basic, Red, etc) which may not have access to 5G, roaming, wi-fi calling etc or have throttled speeds) whereas e.g. Three have usually given all-access to their services to all customers including PAYG.

 It's as old as marketing, add enough new features to make this year's model attractive enough to make customers want to upgrade and pay the new shiny thing premium. The mobile service market just shows this more readily because of the annual renewal cycle.

alanjones60

Hope voda dont buy three then

ProDave

flaneurs_lobster said:

ProDave said:

We have history of launching half baked ill thought out "standards" then butchering about with them later to add the features that really should have been there from the start, without messing up the original bit.

4G was the same, for data only.  It was only some time later, some bright spark said "wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to use 4G to make telephone calls?"  Doh.

 The mobile service market just shows this more readily because of the annual renewal cycle.

Well that's a big whoosh then.  I upgrade my phone usually when the old one breaks, or a free hand me down replacement from a relative is offered that is better than the present one I have.

flaneurs_lobster

ProDave said:

flaneurs_lobster said:

ProDave said:

We have history of launching half baked ill thought out "standards" then butchering about with them later to add the features that really should have been there from the start, without messing up the original bit.

4G was the same, for data only.  It was only some time later, some bright spark said "wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to use 4G to make telephone calls?"  Doh.

 The mobile service market just shows this more readily because of the annual renewal cycle.

Well that's a big whoosh then.  I upgrade my phone usually when the old one breaks, or a free hand me down replacement from a relative is offered that is better than the present one I have.

Although it does apply to handsets too I was really meaning airtime contracts where typically the customer examines the market when they renew (usually) annually. The operators will promote primarily on price but the secondary features are there if these are of importance to the buyer.

The typical handset renewal cycle has moved upwards in the last few years, particularly in the mid-to-high end to something over 3 years.

ProDave

flaneurs_lobster said:

ProDave said:

flaneurs_lobster said:

ProDave said:

We have history of launching half baked ill thought out "standards" then butchering about with them later to add the features that really should have been there from the start, without messing up the original bit.

4G was the same, for data only.  It was only some time later, some bright spark said "wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to use 4G to make telephone calls?"  Doh.

 The mobile service market just shows this more readily because of the annual renewal cycle.

Well that's a big whoosh then.  I upgrade my phone usually when the old one breaks, or a free hand me down replacement from a relative is offered that is better than the present one I have.

Although it does apply to handsets too I was really meaning airtime contracts where typically the customer examines the market when they renew (usually) annually. The operators will promote primarily on price but the secondary features are there if these are of importance to the buyer.

That's also a bit of a woosh.  Not everyone has the luxury of getting a signal from all providers and thus able to choose from any available tariff from any provider.

For a long time O2 was the only service that covered our house, and they (and subsequently sky mobile) failed to get wifi calling working on my phone.  

EE was a relative newcomer in that they built a new mast not that far from us recently that at last offered an alternative, but as this thread has shown, only if you have the full EE service including VoLTE and thus wifi calling (and band 20).  Luckily 1P now give me that, but it took a few tries at getting free PAYG sims to find out what would work.

flaneurs_lobster

That's exactly my point, the services are not universal (and that includes any reception at all). If they were then the only criterion for choosing a particular provider would be price (and maybe CS) much like gas/electricity. 

We do not (yet) have a monopoly on mobile services, so the operators have to differentiate themselves one from another. The ways they do this are almost endless and, therefore, complicated and opaque. 

d123

PHK said:

savergrant said:

A little bit over my head, but the statement doesn't say band 20 is only for those services, just that they have full radio access to ee apart from those services, which they go on to describe as "further services" after the launch of 5g.
I wonder therefore whether the op is receiving a cellular signal through 1pmobile, or just wifi calling. Perhaps you could disconnect from wifi and see whether 1pmobile still shows a strong signal at your home.

At the moment I'm the UK we don't have standalone 5G. When you make a call the phone uses VoLTE on 4G . (It would be possible for a phone to drop to 3G but with the imminent switch off that would be pointless).

The upshot of this is that if you have 5G you'll also get VoLTE and by extension Wi-Fi Calling (as they are almost the same thing)

So once RWG have launched 5G, they'll have VoLTE . In theory they could limit VoLTE to 5G customers but I think that unlikely because of the confusion it would cause.

You've got a lot of confusion in your post. VoLTE is Voice over LTE (in other words, voice being carried over 4G). When 5G SA arrives and calls are carried over 5G it will be VoNR (Voice over New Radio).

The reason that VoLTE is required by EE users is that EE allowed B20 to be slightly more powerful which had the effect of giving it a slightly larger footprint compared to 3G and 2G meaning a user could have a B20 signal and only have a data connection with calls and texts failing which would cause lots of complaints. Without VoLTE the calls and texts would have to carried on 3G or 2G (a process called CSFB, or circuit switched fall back).

VoLTE and VoWiFi could be functional with just 4G, there is no requirement to have 5G to have it.

PHK

d123 said:

PHK said:

savergrant said:

A little bit over my head, but the statement doesn't say band 20 is only for those services, just that they have full radio access to ee apart from those services, which they go on to describe as "further services" after the launch of 5g.
I wonder therefore whether the op is receiving a cellular signal through 1pmobile, or just wifi calling. Perhaps you could disconnect from wifi and see whether 1pmobile still shows a strong signal at your home.

At the moment I'm the UK we don't have standalone 5G. When you make a call the phone uses VoLTE on 4G . (It would be possible for a phone to drop to 3G but with the imminent switch off that would be pointless).

The upshot of this is that if you have 5G you'll also get VoLTE and by extension Wi-Fi Calling (as they are almost the same thing)

So once RWG have launched 5G, they'll have VoLTE . In theory they could limit VoLTE to 5G customers but I think that unlikely because of the confusion it would cause.

You've got a lot of confusion in your post. VoLTE is Voice over LTE (in other words, voice being carried over 4G). When 5G SA arrives and calls are carried over 5G it will be VoNR (Voice over New Radio).

The reason that VoLTE is required by EE users is that EE allowed B20 to be slightly more powerful which had the effect of giving it a slightly larger footprint compared to 3G and 2G meaning a user could have a B20 signal and only have a data connection with calls and texts failing which would cause lots of complaints. Without VoLTE the calls and texts would have to carried on 3G or 2G (a process called CSFB, or circuit switched fall back).

VoLTE and VoWiFi could be functional with just 4G, there is no requirement to have 5G to have it.

I didn’t say there was. The person I was answering had inferred that RWGs plan was for VoLTE etc to follow after 5G had been turned on . I was explaining that if they do get 5G then VoLTE will be needed at the same time (not at some later point)