Storage heater recommendations

Scot_39

littleteapot said:

lilac_dawn said:

From all of these posts then I gather Quantum is worth upgrading to then? I just need to find a decent installer now to advise. The links on the Dimplex site seem a bit out of date (one links to a bathroom installer...)

Quantum seems to be the pinnacle of HHR storage heaters, but if on a tight budget the Creda TSRE looks a good alternative HHR at a much lower cost. The Elnur ECOHHR is also ok if programmed correctly but I suspect the Creda's control system will be very similar the dimplex and probably better than Elnurs.

Also if you have both peak and off peak connection units already in the right location, e.g. from an old storage heater snd have a basic understanding of electrical wiring, e.g. can wire a plug, and can drill holes/fixings in walls you shouldn't be afraid of doing a self install. The installation instructions are usually very comprehensive. 

Thanks again for your helpful input - this time for the Creda TSRE pointer.

But is it actually a HHR panel - or did you perhaps mean to say alternative to HHR at a much lower cost

They certainly dosn't come under some web sales site sections on HHR.

Its a bit difficult to tell if just upselling Quantum's HHR certification as enter their NSH section -

See

https://www.credaheating.co.uk/storage-heaters 

And the footnote

"

Need maximum efficiency?

Our sister company Dimplex offer a storage heater with even higher performance, the Dimplex Quantum. Quantum takes efficient heating further with its High Heat Retention (HHR) certification, featuring much thicker insulation in order to reduce standing heat losses. Visit the Dimplex site to find out more about Quantum."

And when click on the tsre product link - description starts with

"Creda TSRE represents the new non-high heat retention standard for storage heating; raising the bar over conventional storage heaters"

But also in the same paragraph states

"Heat leakage, a common trait of conventional storage heaters, has also been greatly reduced allowing the room to be at a comfortable temperature in the morning and still have enough stored energy to heat on a night"

So its a reduced leakage - so highER heat retention than conventional panel - just not a HHR certified one ?

My neighbours went E7 rather E10 when pushed off of heatwise (radio switched E10 essentially) - as E10 was a lot more expensive /kWh off-peak, they fitted quantum's following summer - because of that temp issue.

I haven't read any user reports for these - but the smart NSH looks like could be a good compromise for many.

The £200-£250 difference on a google check - just one sellers site - for the larger models - the 100s/150's - is non trivial - especially if doing a few.

Must search for some posts on them.

danrv

The Creda TSRE aren’t HHR by the looks of it. Keeping as much heat in as possible is best but sometimes a little surplus can be beneficial.
The Quantum RF series have added WiFi ability when used with the Dimplex Hub.
Not sure how much is controllable but could be useful. Having to manually adjust several heaters for whatever reason could get a bit fiddly.

EssexHebridean

The Creda website confirms that the TSRE are not HHR, but I would say that generally speaking I think certainly the older Creda heaters naturally seem to not only be fairly well insulated, but also to retain the performance of that insulation as they age. We have a single very elderly Creda which even now (we estimate that it is around 40 years old, possibly a little older) still outperforms a far newer Dimplex one of a comparative type. 

If a cost compromise is needed, my suggestion would be that it would be worth someone getting one Creda TSRE installed in a non critical location to see how they feel it performs - then if they are happy they could potentially install them elsewhere too. One thing I would observe from the conversation here though - the programming on the Quantum heaters “out of the box” is far simpler than it would seem to be for the Elnur ones. 

RedFraggle

danrv said:

The Quantum RF series have added WiFi ability when used with the Dimplex Hub.
Not sure how much is controllable but could be useful. Having to manually adjust several heaters for whatever reason could get a bit fiddly.

The installer that did mine always fits the RF model so if you want a hub later you can but advises they're not really that useful as to all the Quantums are basically self adjusting. He said they're most useful in holiday let's and second homes where you may want to adjust without being in the property. I can also see an advantage here for elderly parents etc. 
This illustrates how automated they are. This is the 7 day charge display for the one in the kitchen. I've not adjusted a thing manually. Some days it doesn't take a charge at all. That preceded the big charge on the 26th

RedFraggle

And this is the one in the lounge

RedFraggle

Room temperature data for the kitchen diner. 

This is why if you use a second heat source you'll mess the charging cycle up. It thinks the weather has warmed up. 

danrv

They look like a good investment and should be cheaper to run than standard or non HHR heaters. I read that they keep enough heat to use up till late evening (10.00pm).
Shouldn’t need to use the peak rate boost element much if that’s the case. 
They were certainly the 2nd option for my previous electric heating dilemma. Three downstairs for main living areas and electric rads for bedrooms.

EssexHebridean

@RedFraggle those are screens that I’ve never found on mine - can you give a quick explainer on how to access them please? 

RedFraggle

Push the centre of the dial twice then turn the dial to scroll through them. 

RedFraggle

danrv said:

They look like a good investment and should be cheaper to run than standard or non HHR heaters. I read that they keep enough heat to use up till late evening (10.00pm).
Shouldn’t need to use the peak rate boost element much if that’s the case. 
They were certainly the 2nd option for my previous electric heating dilemma. Three downstairs for main living areas and electric rads for bedrooms.

On a weekend mine are set from 7 am til 10pm at 21C.
During the week at 20C from 7 - 9:30 then 11 - 1 &  and 21C from 4 - 10 pm. 
Occasionally when the weather has shifted I've boosted the lounge one late in the evening as it's run out. But just for 30 minutes.