Octopus: Action: Your meter is approaching its use-by date

matt_drummer

Gerry1 said:

MWT said:

Gerry1 said:

TheElectricCow said:

greenhill said:

No, you don't save money with smart meters so please don't bother saying that.

At the more extreme end of the scale you even have things like the Demand Flexibility Service currently being tested/ran which can allow for some significant gains if you go about it right.

AKA Surge Pricing.

Don't worry, electricity will only be prohibitively expensive at the times when you want to use it...

The exact opposite in this case, people are being paid to use less energy in a specified time period to reduce the demand...

And how long do you think that this Shangri-La La Land will last?

Forever, it's the future.

It's a great way to manage our energy consumption.

EssexHebridean

When I first moved in here I was horrified by the idea of Economy 7 - the thought of having to do all the things I’d always done when I fancied it at specific times felt alien, and for the first little while it was a lot more expensive as I got to grips with what is, let’s be honest, one of the earliest time of use tariffs! Gradually you get used to it though - learn the benefit of appliances with ability to set timers, start to understand how the heating works and that running out of hot water because you’ve had a bath before doing the washing up is a pain! That was nearly 20 years ago, and over time we’ve got a lot better at making the most of the off peak rate - and when we move I will certainly be looking into all the various TOU options even though we’ll no longer have electric heating.   Now, sure, I’ve currently got a daytime electricity rate of 48p/kWh which will make most of those on single rate SVR wince a bit, but that’s not too much of an issue on the basis that over 75% of my use is at a far more attractive 16p/kWh. At the moment, my “time of use tariff” saves me around £400 a year - which pays for a lot of far more interesting things than electricity! 

ariarnia

EssexHebridean said:

When I first moved in here I was horrified by the idea of Economy 7 - the thought of having to do all the things I’d always done when I fancied it at specific times felt alien, and for the first little while it was a lot more expensive as I got to grips with what is, let’s be honest, one of the earliest time of use tariffs! Gradually you get used to it though - learn the benefit of appliances with ability to set timers, start to understand how the heating works and that running out of hot water because you’ve had a bath before doing the washing up is a pain! That was nearly 20 years ago, and over time we’ve got a lot better at making the most of the off peak rate - and when we move I will certainly be looking into all the various TOU options even though we’ll no longer have electric heating.   Now, sure, I’ve currently got a daytime electricity rate of 48p/kWh which will make most of those on single rate SVR wince a bit, but that’s not too much of an issue on the basis that over 75% of my use is at a far more attractive 16p/kWh. At the moment, my “time of use tariff” saves me around £400 a year - which pays for a lot of far more interesting things than electricity! 

well when you think the svr cap is expected to go up to somewhere like 43p in a month maybe wince less than we would have 12 months ago

matt_drummer

ariarnia said:

EssexHebridean said:

When I first moved in here I was horrified by the idea of Economy 7 - the thought of having to do all the things I’d always done when I fancied it at specific times felt alien, and for the first little while it was a lot more expensive as I got to grips with what is, let’s be honest, one of the earliest time of use tariffs! Gradually you get used to it though - learn the benefit of appliances with ability to set timers, start to understand how the heating works and that running out of hot water because you’ve had a bath before doing the washing up is a pain! That was nearly 20 years ago, and over time we’ve got a lot better at making the most of the off peak rate - and when we move I will certainly be looking into all the various TOU options even though we’ll no longer have electric heating.   Now, sure, I’ve currently got a daytime electricity rate of 48p/kWh which will make most of those on single rate SVR wince a bit, but that’s not too much of an issue on the basis that over 75% of my use is at a far more attractive 16p/kWh. At the moment, my “time of use tariff” saves me around £400 a year - which pays for a lot of far more interesting things than electricity! 

well when you think the svr cap is expected to go up to somewhere like 43p in a month maybe wince less than we would have 12 months ago

I expect the economy 7 daytime rate will go up as well. The wincing will be just the same!

Gerry1

matt_drummer said:

Gerry1 said:

MWT said:

Gerry1 said:

TheElectricCow said:

greenhill said:

No, you don't save money with smart meters so please don't bother saying that.

At the more extreme end of the scale you even have things like the Demand Flexibility Service currently being tested/ran which can allow for some significant gains if you go about it right.

AKA Surge Pricing.

Don't worry, electricity will only be prohibitively expensive at the times when you want to use it...

The exact opposite in this case, people are being paid to use less energy in a specified time period to reduce the demand...

And how long do you think that this Shangri-La La Land will last?

Forever, it's the future.

It's a great way to manage our energy consumption.

It's a great way for them to manage your energy consumption.  FTFY !

Starts with paying people to use less.  Yup, some people will fall for it.  (Just as they believed in the pensions triple lock, that the Dartford Bridge would only be tolled until it had paid for itself, that Theresa wouldn't call an early general election, that Clegg wouldn't allow tuition fees to be increased, and that the Pound in your Pocket wouldn't be devalued.  Yup, you can always trust a politician.  And BTW there were never any parties.)

Then it's Surge Pricing, which won't remain optional for very long.  If you don't comply, then it's Load Limiting.

If you still don't comply, then it's Load Shedding.

Yes, it may well be the future, but it's the sheer dishonesty of the unpublicised Demand Side Response agenda to which I object.

matt_drummer

Gerry1 said:

matt_drummer said:

Gerry1 said:

MWT said:

Gerry1 said:

TheElectricCow said:

greenhill said:

No, you don't save money with smart meters so please don't bother saying that.

At the more extreme end of the scale you even have things like the Demand Flexibility Service currently being tested/ran which can allow for some significant gains if you go about it right.

AKA Surge Pricing.

Don't worry, electricity will only be prohibitively expensive at the times when you want to use it...

The exact opposite in this case, people are being paid to use less energy in a specified time period to reduce the demand...

And how long do you think that this Shangri-La La Land will last?

Forever, it's the future.

It's a great way to manage our energy consumption.

It's a great way for them to manage your energy consumption.  FTFY !

Starts with paying people to use less.  Yup, some people will fall for it.  (Just as they believed in the pensions triple lock, that the Dartford Bridge would only be tolled until it had paid for itself, that Theresa wouldn't call an early general election, that Clegg wouldn't allow tuition fees to be increased, and that the Pound in your Pocket wouldn't be devalued.  Yup, you can always trust a politician.  And BTW there were never any parties.)

Then it's Surge Pricing, which won't remain optional for very long.  If you don't comply, then it's Load Limiting.

If you still don't comply, then it's Load Shedding.

Yes, it may well be the future, but it's the sheer dishonesty of the unpublicised Demand Side Response agenda to which I object.

Gerry1 said:

matt_drummer said:

Gerry1 said:

MWT said:

Gerry1 said:

TheElectricCow said:

greenhill said:

No, you don't save money with smart meters so please don't bother saying that.

At the more extreme end of the scale you even have things like the Demand Flexibility Service currently being tested/ran which can allow for some significant gains if you go about it right.

AKA Surge Pricing.

Don't worry, electricity will only be prohibitively expensive at the times when you want to use it...

The exact opposite in this case, people are being paid to use less energy in a specified time period to reduce the demand...

And how long do you think that this Shangri-La La Land will last?

Forever, it's the future.

It's a great way to manage our energy consumption.

It's a great way for them to manage your energy consumption.  FTFY !

Starts with paying people to use less.  Yup, some people will fall for it.  (Just as they believed in the pensions triple lock, that the Dartford Bridge would only be tolled until it had paid for itself, that Theresa wouldn't call an early general election, that Clegg wouldn't allow tuition fees to be increased, and that the Pound in your Pocket wouldn't be devalued.  Yup, you can always trust a politician.  And BTW there were never any parties.)

Then it's Surge Pricing, which won't remain optional for very long.  If you don't comply, then it's Load Limiting.

If you still don't comply, then it's Load Shedding.

Yes, it may well be the future, but it's the sheer dishonesty of the unpublicised Demand Side Response agenda to which I object.

That's all great.

I have every part of my roof covered in solar panels, one wall of my huge garage covered in batteries and smart meters,.

So, I don't really care.

I'll just shift my use (if any) to whenever it's cheapest and let those who refuse to have smart meters subsidise it.

Thank you!

(By the way, what is FTFY?)

Gerry1

Fixed That For You !

matt_drummer

Gerry1 said:

Fixed That For You !

Thank you, didn't know that one.

I think I've fixed it for me really, I manage my energy and buy as little of their electricity as possible.

I am now working on buying none of their gas!

ariarnia

Gerry1 said:

matt_drummer said:

Gerry1 said:

MWT said:

Gerry1 said:

TheElectricCow said:

greenhill said:

No, you don't save money with smart meters so please don't bother saying that.

At the more extreme end of the scale you even have things like the Demand Flexibility Service currently being tested/ran which can allow for some significant gains if you go about it right.

AKA Surge Pricing.

Don't worry, electricity will only be prohibitively expensive at the times when you want to use it...

The exact opposite in this case, people are being paid to use less energy in a specified time period to reduce the demand...

And how long do you think that this Shangri-La La Land will last?

Forever, it's the future.

It's a great way to manage our energy consumption.

It's a great way for them to manage your energy consumption.  FTFY !

Starts with paying people to use less.  Yup, some people will fall for it.  (Just as they believed in the pensions triple lock, that the Dartford Bridge would only be tolled until it had paid for itself, that Theresa wouldn't call an early general election, that Clegg wouldn't allow tuition fees to be increased, and that the Pound in your Pocket wouldn't be devalued.  Yup, you can always trust a politician.  And BTW there were never any parties.)

Then it's Surge Pricing, which won't remain optional for very long.  If you don't comply, then it's Load Limiting.

If you still don't comply, then it's Load Shedding.

Yes, it may well be the future, but it's the sheer dishonesty of the unpublicised Demand Side Response agenda to which I object.

you know theres someone on the housing board you might really get on with. he's been warning people not to buy because the housing market is going too crash any day now. he's been saying the same thing since 2008 so he's got to be right one of these days hasn't he...?

matt_drummer

ariarnia said:

Gerry1 said:

matt_drummer said:

Gerry1 said:

MWT said:

Gerry1 said:

TheElectricCow said:

greenhill said:

No, you don't save money with smart meters so please don't bother saying that.

At the more extreme end of the scale you even have things like the Demand Flexibility Service currently being tested/ran which can allow for some significant gains if you go about it right.

AKA Surge Pricing.

Don't worry, electricity will only be prohibitively expensive at the times when you want to use it...

The exact opposite in this case, people are being paid to use less energy in a specified time period to reduce the demand...

And how long do you think that this Shangri-La La Land will last?

Forever, it's the future.

It's a great way to manage our energy consumption.

It's a great way for them to manage your energy consumption.  FTFY !

Starts with paying people to use less.  Yup, some people will fall for it.  (Just as they believed in the pensions triple lock, that the Dartford Bridge would only be tolled until it had paid for itself, that Theresa wouldn't call an early general election, that Clegg wouldn't allow tuition fees to be increased, and that the Pound in your Pocket wouldn't be devalued.  Yup, you can always trust a politician.  And BTW there were never any parties.)

Then it's Surge Pricing, which won't remain optional for very long.  If you don't comply, then it's Load Limiting.

If you still don't comply, then it's Load Shedding.

Yes, it may well be the future, but it's the sheer dishonesty of the unpublicised Demand Side Response agenda to which I object.

you know theres someone on the housing board you might really get on with. he's been warning people not to buy because the housing market is going too crash any day now. he's been saying the same thing since 2008 so he's got to be right one of these days hasn't he...?

It's easy to be a doom monger, one day they might be right.

I find the best way is to make the most of what you have and the circumstances.

If that means getting smart meters then its not the end of the world.

Just take advantage of what's available, you really can't go wrong.

Not everybody is out to screw you over, just don't listen to these people, they haven't a clue.