Friend been issued S8 G8,10,11,17 how can she sort this fast

Standingstrong

CurlySue2017 said:

Standingstrong said:

CurlySue2017 said:

propertyrental said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
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I know how I'd react to an approach like that.

A tenant who threatened to withold rent unless the LL gave up his legal rights is not a tenant I'd want a long-term relationship with.

And I can't see a judge being impressed by that either if it came to a 'discretionary' decision on eviction......

Totally agree with this and I'm a tenant. 

If I had ANY issues regarding the payment of my rent, my landlord would be the first to know.  In return I would like to think that as we have a good relationship, we could work together to find a solution.  Holding them to ransom is not going to help anyone in the long run and how do you build trust from that start point?  Whatever happens now, I don't know how this landlord could ever be expected to trust your friend again and I would want them out too

She hasn’t left them for ransom she TOLD THEM WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BANK IF YOU RE READ the thread it says that clearly  !! 

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

Um firstly, I did read the thread.  Secondly, there's no need to shout. 

Perhaps in your little fantasy world of making up stories, you forgot that you wrote the above.

Refusing to pay rent until the landlord gives up his legal rights is blackmail.  Plain and simple.

And then when she pays the rent it’ll be no grounds to stand on hence no arrears when paid.

perhaps in your fantasy world you said that she hasn’t been keeping them in the loop and that she has held them ransom when InFact she has not 

I’ve now put you on ignore as you do not make sense 

JReacher1

Standingstrong said:

JReacher1 said:

Standingstrong said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

What is "fair" is subjective, the landlord will have been paid late and will likely have faced costs and/or inconvenience, he will want rid of his uncooperative tenant. As she now appears to want to get the landlord to waive his legal rights in return for doing what she should have already done she will have burnt whatever remaining bridges there were.

Standingstrong said:

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

The landlord gets the rent two months late. The tenant seems to miss that, they also show that they have no regard for their contract as they could have already paid, but have not.

Standingstrong said:

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

There is a point to go on the other terms, to get rid of a difficult tenant, which is likely what they will do.

How is my friend a difficult tenant for a banking issue which held her funds up. The LL has been very understandable in this situation and he’s been kept in the loop to when he’ll be paid. 

The letting agents done the s8 not the landlord as it’s fully mananged by them

Even when it is fully managed Letting agents don't tend to issue S8's without the landlords permission.

I am confused slightly as if this is fully managed by the letting agency how is your friend even keeping the landlord updated?  She should have no contact with the landlord and just go through the letting agent.  

Something about this whole story doesn't ring 100% true really.

The letting agent act behalf of landlord , they all do? I don’t rent I have mortgage ,

im trying to get advice for my friend here to be honest. 

She has been keeping the landlord and LA updated daily !!! she hasn’t left them for ransom or left them wondering at all.

if she was leaving them ransom she wouldn’t of rang today would she … 

think about it 

On one of your original posts she was going to phone tomorrow as they were shut on Monday.  Now they are not shut on Monday but the person she is dealing with is on holiday.  So that doesn't seem 100% right.

Is she is updating the landlord daily then I assume she has spoken to them on Friday (and today) so is the landlord happy that his rent arrears are being delayed by another day because the letting agency won't take the money?  Personally if I was the landlord I wouldn't be happy.

Your friend must have the letting agents bank details so I still don't understand why she didn't pay the rent using online/telephone banking on Friday (or in the three days since).  

Your friends actions to an unfortunate fraud situation have been ill thought out (naïve at best) and unfortunately this means she is very likely going to be evicted once the proceedings have reached their natural conclusion.

CurlySue2017

Standingstrong said:

CurlySue2017 said:

Standingstrong said:

CurlySue2017 said:

propertyrental said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
...

I know how I'd react to an approach like that.

A tenant who threatened to withold rent unless the LL gave up his legal rights is not a tenant I'd want a long-term relationship with.

And I can't see a judge being impressed by that either if it came to a 'discretionary' decision on eviction......

Totally agree with this and I'm a tenant. 

If I had ANY issues regarding the payment of my rent, my landlord would be the first to know.  In return I would like to think that as we have a good relationship, we could work together to find a solution.  Holding them to ransom is not going to help anyone in the long run and how do you build trust from that start point?  Whatever happens now, I don't know how this landlord could ever be expected to trust your friend again and I would want them out too

She hasn’t left them for ransom she TOLD THEM WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BANK IF YOU RE READ the thread it says that clearly  !! 

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

Um firstly, I did read the thread.  Secondly, there's no need to shout. 

Perhaps in your little fantasy world of making up stories, you forgot that you wrote the above.

Refusing to pay rent until the landlord gives up his legal rights is blackmail.  Plain and simple.

And then when she pays the rent it’ll be no grounds to stand on hence no arrears when paid.

perhaps in your fantasy world you said that she hasn’t been keeping them in the loop and that she has held them ransom when InFact she has not 

I’ve now put you on ignore as you do not make sense 

Oh the irony 🤣🤣

JReacher1

Standingstrong said:

I’ll post what the LA SAID TO HER TODAY. As people are believing there own words and not getting what I’m trying say 

Morning ***,

 

Thanks for your email.

 

I have Cc’d in ************ who is overseeing the Section 8 notice and arrears. She is off on annual leave today; however she will be back into the office tomorrow and will make contact with you to pay arrears off and to discuss further options

 

Thanks,

I’m not overseeing any of this so I’m unsure. ************** deals with all Section 8 notices here at **** *********. She will be able to advise further tomorrow when she’s back.

I can’t see any notes on the system other than to pay rent arrears and talk to ***** I’ve made a note in ***** diary to call you tomorrow to sort.

This situation strikes me as too serious to try and resolve via email. Surely she should have phoned them first thing to discuss?

Standingstrong

JReacher1 said:

Standingstrong said:

JReacher1 said:

Standingstrong said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

What is "fair" is subjective, the landlord will have been paid late and will likely have faced costs and/or inconvenience, he will want rid of his uncooperative tenant. As she now appears to want to get the landlord to waive his legal rights in return for doing what she should have already done she will have burnt whatever remaining bridges there were.

Standingstrong said:

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

The landlord gets the rent two months late. The tenant seems to miss that, they also show that they have no regard for their contract as they could have already paid, but have not.

Standingstrong said:

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

There is a point to go on the other terms, to get rid of a difficult tenant, which is likely what they will do.

How is my friend a difficult tenant for a banking issue which held her funds up. The LL has been very understandable in this situation and he’s been kept in the loop to when he’ll be paid. 

The letting agents done the s8 not the landlord as it’s fully mananged by them

Even when it is fully managed Letting agents don't tend to issue S8's without the landlords permission.

I am confused slightly as if this is fully managed by the letting agency how is your friend even keeping the landlord updated?  She should have no contact with the landlord and just go through the letting agent.  

Something about this whole story doesn't ring 100% true really.

The letting agent act behalf of landlord , they all do? I don’t rent I have mortgage ,

im trying to get advice for my friend here to be honest. 

She has been keeping the landlord and LA updated daily !!! she hasn’t left them for ransom or left them wondering at all.

if she was leaving them ransom she wouldn’t of rang today would she … 

think about it 

On one of your original posts she was going to phone tomorrow as they were shut on Monday.  Now they are not shut on Monday but the person she is dealing with is on holiday.  So that doesn't seem 100% right.

Is she is updating the landlord daily then I assume she has spoken to them on Friday (and today) so is the landlord happy that his rent arrears are being delayed by another day because the letting agency won't take the money?  Personally if I was the landlord I wouldn't be happy.

Your friend must have the letting agents bank details so I still don't understand why she didn't pay the rent using online/telephone banking on Friday (or in the three days since).  

Your friends actions to an unfortunate fraud situation have been ill thought out (naïve at best) and unfortunately this means she is very likely going to be evicted once the proceedings have reached their natural conclusion.

I meant the girls was on annual leave who is dealing with this , I thought annual leave and off work meant the same?? 

Yes she’s been telling the landlord that and he’s not responding and the LA has told them this also 

she won’t be evicted hence arrears will be paid tomorrow 

Standingstrong

JReacher1 said:

Standingstrong said:

I’ll post what the LA SAID TO HER TODAY. As people are believing there own words and not getting what I’m trying say 

Morning ***,

 

Thanks for your email.

 

I have Cc’d in ************ who is overseeing the Section 8 notice and arrears. She is off on annual leave today; however she will be back into the office tomorrow and will make contact with you to pay arrears off and to discuss further options

 

Thanks,

I’m not overseeing any of this so I’m unsure. ************** deals with all Section 8 notices here at **** *********. She will be able to advise further tomorrow when she’s back.

I can’t see any notes on the system other than to pay rent arrears and talk to ***** I’ve made a note in ***** diary to call you tomorrow to sort.

This situation strikes me as too serious to try and resolve via email. Surely she should have phoned them first thing to discuss?

She have rang them today. 4 times 

propertyrental

You really don't get it doyou?

OK- her bank account was frozen so she couldn'tpay the rent.

The bank account is now unfrozen so SHE SHOULD PAY THE RENT.IMMEDIATELY.

Being told by some guy to wait till tomorrow is nuts. Nuts for for him to say that (a letting agent tells a tenant in arrears not topay? Unlikely or incompetent).  And nuts for her to wait. Pay it now. Just doa money ransfer.

Think howmuch easier the conversation with the lady tomorrow will be if there are no longer any arrears.

Much better than trying to blackmail the girl into making an agreement that the landlord would not approve of and which would probably have no legal force.

Nuts!

JReacher1

Standingstrong said:

JReacher1 said:

Standingstrong said:

JReacher1 said:

Standingstrong said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

What is "fair" is subjective, the landlord will have been paid late and will likely have faced costs and/or inconvenience, he will want rid of his uncooperative tenant. As she now appears to want to get the landlord to waive his legal rights in return for doing what she should have already done she will have burnt whatever remaining bridges there were.

Standingstrong said:

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

The landlord gets the rent two months late. The tenant seems to miss that, they also show that they have no regard for their contract as they could have already paid, but have not.

Standingstrong said:

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

There is a point to go on the other terms, to get rid of a difficult tenant, which is likely what they will do.

How is my friend a difficult tenant for a banking issue which held her funds up. The LL has been very understandable in this situation and he’s been kept in the loop to when he’ll be paid. 

The letting agents done the s8 not the landlord as it’s fully mananged by them

Even when it is fully managed Letting agents don't tend to issue S8's without the landlords permission.

I am confused slightly as if this is fully managed by the letting agency how is your friend even keeping the landlord updated?  She should have no contact with the landlord and just go through the letting agent.  

Something about this whole story doesn't ring 100% true really.

The letting agent act behalf of landlord , they all do? I don’t rent I have mortgage ,

im trying to get advice for my friend here to be honest. 

She has been keeping the landlord and LA updated daily !!! she hasn’t left them for ransom or left them wondering at all.

if she was leaving them ransom she wouldn’t of rang today would she … 

think about it 

On one of your original posts she was going to phone tomorrow as they were shut on Monday.  Now they are not shut on Monday but the person she is dealing with is on holiday.  So that doesn't seem 100% right.

Is she is updating the landlord daily then I assume she has spoken to them on Friday (and today) so is the landlord happy that his rent arrears are being delayed by another day because the letting agency won't take the money?  Personally if I was the landlord I wouldn't be happy.

Your friend must have the letting agents bank details so I still don't understand why she didn't pay the rent using online/telephone banking on Friday (or in the three days since).  

Your friends actions to an unfortunate fraud situation have been ill thought out (naïve at best) and unfortunately this means she is very likely going to be evicted once the proceedings have reached their natural conclusion.

I meant the girls was on annual leave who is dealing with this , I thought annual leave and off work meant the same?? 

The exact words you wrote were :-

"Okay she can pay it off asap but she’s calling then Tuesday when they’re back in office as they’re closed Monday"

That does not mean the same as being off work/annual leave

Robbo66

Any agent or landlord worth their salt would have served a Section 21 alongside the section 8. If the section 8 fails or becomes void they can then fall back to the Sec 21. Also re the G17, G 12 would have been a better option, still discretional but a better bet.

Standingstrong

Robbo66 said:

Any agent or landlord worth their salt would have served a Section 21 alongside the section 8. If the section 8 fails or becomes void they can then fall back to the Sec 21. Also re the G17, G 12 would have been a better option, still discretional but a better bet.

Does she mention this to them?