Friend been issued S8 G8,10,11,17 how can she sort this fast

JReacher1

Standingstrong said:

Exodi said:

Standingstrong said:

Right the rent was not paid  because HER BANK ACCOUNT . Got shut for fraud and all her Funds got taken hence why she couldn’t pay the rent. The landlord and estate agent knew about this. 

The estate agents colleague emailed her today and said wait for the girl who’s dealing with this to come in tomorrow so that they can talk and sort this out. 

Does that now sound a bit better? 

All of your replies after this basically say the same thing so I'll respond to this.

We understand your friend got her account closed due to fraud. Presumably, by the simple fact she is able to pay the rent now, her account was re-opened at some point in time? Was it, by some miracle of a coincidence, the same day that she received the section 8 that her account was unfrozen, or was it earlier?

There also seems to be a disconnect between what people keep saying in this thread, and what you are responding with. People are asking why she hasn't paid her rent and you keep saying because she needs to have a chat with them? These things aren't mutually exclusive, she's obviously free to pay her rent now if she so desires, the estate agent colleagues would have obviously been willing to take a simple payment. Everyone in this thread is not stupid, we are all obviously aware that this chat is not just "I'd like to pay the rent please".

As others have said in this thread, it looks far better if they pay your rent first then have a chat... but they obviously don't intend on doing that as they already would have. What she's doing is giving me blackmail vibes - e.g. "will you cancel proceedings if I pay the rent?".

EDIT: finally we get to the bottom of it (though I think every one had worked this out already).

Standingstrong said:

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

She is not blackmailing anyone here mate. 

She is so upset , she wants to put this right but the man on the phone today said I can’t take any payments as the woman who deals with rent arrears and s8 is not in (HENCE ANNUAL LEAVE ) 

and that she should call tomorrow. 

Her account got unblocked Friday 

She should have paid this on Friday then. 

CurlySue2017

propertyrental said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
...

I know how I'd react to an approach like that.

A tenant who threatened to withold rent unless the LL gave up his legal rights is not a tenant I'd want a long-term relationship with.

And I can't see a judge being impressed by that either if it came to a 'discretionary' decision on eviction......

Totally agree with this and I'm a tenant. 

If I had ANY issues regarding the payment of my rent, my landlord would be the first to know.  In return I would like to think that as we have a good relationship, we could work together to find a solution.  Holding them to ransom is not going to help anyone in the long run and how do you build trust from that start point?  Whatever happens now, I don't know how this landlord could ever be expected to trust your friend again and I would want them out too

MattMattMattUK

Standingstrong said:

Exodi said:

Standingstrong said:

Right the rent was not paid  because HER BANK ACCOUNT . Got shut for fraud and all her Funds got taken hence why she couldn’t pay the rent. The landlord and estate agent knew about this. 

The estate agents colleague emailed her today and said wait for the girl who’s dealing with this to come in tomorrow so that they can talk and sort this out. 

Does that now sound a bit better? 

All of your replies after this basically say the same thing so I'll respond to this.

We understand your friend got her account closed due to fraud. Presumably, by the simple fact she is able to pay the rent now, her account was re-opened at some point in time? Was it, by some miracle of a coincidence, the same day that she received the section 8 that her account was unfrozen, or was it earlier?

There also seems to be a disconnect between what people keep saying in this thread, and what you are responding with. People are asking why she hasn't paid her rent and you keep saying because she needs to have a chat with them? These things aren't mutually exclusive, she's obviously free to pay her rent now if she so desires, the estate agent colleagues would have obviously been willing to take a simple payment. Everyone in this thread is not stupid, we are all obviously aware that this chat is not just "I'd like to pay the rent please".

As others have said in this thread, it looks far better if they pay your rent first then have a chat... but they obviously don't intend on doing that as they already would have. What she's doing is giving me blackmail vibes - e.g. "will you cancel proceedings if I pay the rent?".

EDIT: finally we get to the bottom of it (though I think every one had worked this out already).

Standingstrong said:

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

She is not blackmailing anyone here mate. 

If one person says to another that they will not pay contractually due amounts unless they get extra-contractual concessions that is blackmail.

Standingstrong said:

She is so upset , she wants to put this right but the man on the phone today said I can’t take any payments as the woman who deals with rent arrears and s8 is not in (HENCE ANNUAL LEAVE ) 

and that she should call tomorrow. 

Her account got unblocked Friday 

She does not need to speak to them to pay them, she could and should have paid them by bank transfer on Friday.

JReacher1

Standingstrong said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

What is "fair" is subjective, the landlord will have been paid late and will likely have faced costs and/or inconvenience, he will want rid of his uncooperative tenant. As she now appears to want to get the landlord to waive his legal rights in return for doing what she should have already done she will have burnt whatever remaining bridges there were.

Standingstrong said:

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

The landlord gets the rent two months late. The tenant seems to miss that, they also show that they have no regard for their contract as they could have already paid, but have not.

Standingstrong said:

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

There is a point to go on the other terms, to get rid of a difficult tenant, which is likely what they will do.

How is my friend a difficult tenant for a banking issue which held her funds up. The LL has been very understandable in this situation and he’s been kept in the loop to when he’ll be paid. 

The letting agents done the s8 not the landlord as it’s fully mananged by them

Even when it is fully managed Letting agents don't tend to issue S8's without the landlords permission.

I am confused slightly as if this is fully managed by the letting agency how is your friend even keeping the landlord updated?  She should have no contact with the landlord and just go through the letting agent.  

Something about this whole story doesn't ring 100% true really.

Standingstrong

CurlySue2017 said:

propertyrental said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
...

I know how I'd react to an approach like that.

A tenant who threatened to withold rent unless the LL gave up his legal rights is not a tenant I'd want a long-term relationship with.

And I can't see a judge being impressed by that either if it came to a 'discretionary' decision on eviction......

Totally agree with this and I'm a tenant. 

If I had ANY issues regarding the payment of my rent, my landlord would be the first to know.  In return I would like to think that as we have a good relationship, we could work together to find a solution.  Holding them to ransom is not going to help anyone in the long run and how do you build trust from that start point?  Whatever happens now, I don't know how this landlord could ever be expected to trust your friend again and I would want them out too

She hasn’t left them for ransom she’s  told them what’s happened with the bank issues if you re read the thread it says that clearly !! 

And if she left them for “RANSOM”

she wouldn’t of rang today would she? 

the lady who deals with section 8’s and arrears is NOT in today she has been on annual leave 

Exodi

Standingstrong said:

Exodi said:

Standingstrong said:

Right the rent was not paid  because HER BANK ACCOUNT . Got shut for fraud and all her Funds got taken hence why she couldn’t pay the rent. The landlord and estate agent knew about this. 

The estate agents colleague emailed her today and said wait for the girl who’s dealing with this to come in tomorrow so that they can talk and sort this out. 

Does that now sound a bit better? 

All of your replies after this basically say the same thing so I'll respond to this.

We understand your friend got her account closed due to fraud. Presumably, by the simple fact she is able to pay the rent now, her account was re-opened at some point in time? Was it, by some miracle of a coincidence, the same day that she received the section 8 that her account was unfrozen, or was it earlier?

There also seems to be a disconnect between what people keep saying in this thread, and what you are responding with. People are asking why she hasn't paid her rent and you keep saying because she needs to have a chat with them? These things aren't mutually exclusive, she's obviously free to pay her rent now if she so desires, the estate agent colleagues would have obviously been willing to take a simple payment. Everyone in this thread is not stupid, we are all obviously aware that this chat is not just "I'd like to pay the rent please".

As others have said in this thread, it looks far better if they pay your rent first then have a chat... but they obviously don't intend on doing that as they already would have. What she's doing is giving me blackmail vibes - e.g. "will you cancel proceedings if I pay the rent?".

EDIT: finally we get to the bottom of it (though I think every one had worked this out already).

Standingstrong said:

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

She is not blackmailing anyone here mate. 

She is so upset , she wants to put this right but the man on the phone today said I can’t take any payments as the woman who deals with rent arrears and s8 is not in (HENCE ANNUAL LEAVE ) 

and that she should call tomorrow. 

Her account got unblocked Friday 

I'd say it's definitely blackmail, but please rationalise it how you like.

I won't repeat the point I made earlier, she is not calling simply to pay rent.

Unblocked Friday you say? That's very convenient for someone that was issued with a S8 the very next day.

Out of interest, whats her back-up plan if the LA/LL doesn't take the deal and would rather take her to court for the arrears? Presumably just keep hold of the arrears and live there rent free until evicted?

Standingstrong

JReacher1 said:

Standingstrong said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

What is "fair" is subjective, the landlord will have been paid late and will likely have faced costs and/or inconvenience, he will want rid of his uncooperative tenant. As she now appears to want to get the landlord to waive his legal rights in return for doing what she should have already done she will have burnt whatever remaining bridges there were.

Standingstrong said:

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

The landlord gets the rent two months late. The tenant seems to miss that, they also show that they have no regard for their contract as they could have already paid, but have not.

Standingstrong said:

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

There is a point to go on the other terms, to get rid of a difficult tenant, which is likely what they will do.

How is my friend a difficult tenant for a banking issue which held her funds up. The LL has been very understandable in this situation and he’s been kept in the loop to when he’ll be paid. 

The letting agents done the s8 not the landlord as it’s fully mananged by them

Even when it is fully managed Letting agents don't tend to issue S8's without the landlords permission.

I am confused slightly as if this is fully managed by the letting agency how is your friend even keeping the landlord updated?  She should have no contact with the landlord and just go through the letting agent.  

Something about this whole story doesn't ring 100% true really.

The letting agent act behalf of landlord , they all do? I don’t rent I have mortgage ,

im trying to get advice for my friend here to be honest. 

She has been keeping the landlord and LA updated daily !!! she hasn’t left them for ransom or left them wondering at all.

if she was leaving them ransom she wouldn’t of rang today would she … 

think about it 

Standingstrong

Exodi said:

Standingstrong said:

Exodi said:

Standingstrong said:

Right the rent was not paid  because HER BANK ACCOUNT . Got shut for fraud and all her Funds got taken hence why she couldn’t pay the rent. The landlord and estate agent knew about this. 

The estate agents colleague emailed her today and said wait for the girl who’s dealing with this to come in tomorrow so that they can talk and sort this out. 

Does that now sound a bit better? 

All of your replies after this basically say the same thing so I'll respond to this.

We understand your friend got her account closed due to fraud. Presumably, by the simple fact she is able to pay the rent now, her account was re-opened at some point in time? Was it, by some miracle of a coincidence, the same day that she received the section 8 that her account was unfrozen, or was it earlier?

There also seems to be a disconnect between what people keep saying in this thread, and what you are responding with. People are asking why she hasn't paid her rent and you keep saying because she needs to have a chat with them? These things aren't mutually exclusive, she's obviously free to pay her rent now if she so desires, the estate agent colleagues would have obviously been willing to take a simple payment. Everyone in this thread is not stupid, we are all obviously aware that this chat is not just "I'd like to pay the rent please".

As others have said in this thread, it looks far better if they pay your rent first then have a chat... but they obviously don't intend on doing that as they already would have. What she's doing is giving me blackmail vibes - e.g. "will you cancel proceedings if I pay the rent?".

EDIT: finally we get to the bottom of it (though I think every one had worked this out already).

Standingstrong said:

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

She is not blackmailing anyone here mate. 

She is so upset , she wants to put this right but the man on the phone today said I can’t take any payments as the woman who deals with rent arrears and s8 is not in (HENCE ANNUAL LEAVE ) 

and that she should call tomorrow. 

Her account got unblocked Friday 

I'd say it's definitely blackmail, but please rationalise it how you like.

I won't repeat the point I made earlier, she is not calling simply to pay rent.

Unblocked Friday you say? That's very convenient for someone that was issued with a S8 the very next day.

Out of interest, whats her back-up plan if the LA/LL doesn't take the deal and would rather take her to court for the arrears? Presumably just keep hold of the arrears and live there rent free until evicted?

She is gonna pay the arrears when the woman who deals with this stuff is in tomorrow? 

So how is she gonna keep the money until evicted ??? 

She is not saying no I’m not gonna pay !! If she had no means of paying them she wouldn’t of even rang them 4 times today would she??????? 

exactly that. 

CurlySue2017

Standingstrong said:

CurlySue2017 said:

propertyrental said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
...

I know how I'd react to an approach like that.

A tenant who threatened to withold rent unless the LL gave up his legal rights is not a tenant I'd want a long-term relationship with.

And I can't see a judge being impressed by that either if it came to a 'discretionary' decision on eviction......

Totally agree with this and I'm a tenant. 

If I had ANY issues regarding the payment of my rent, my landlord would be the first to know.  In return I would like to think that as we have a good relationship, we could work together to find a solution.  Holding them to ransom is not going to help anyone in the long run and how do you build trust from that start point?  Whatever happens now, I don't know how this landlord could ever be expected to trust your friend again and I would want them out too

She hasn’t left them for ransom she TOLD THEM WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BANK IF YOU RE READ the thread it says that clearly  !! 

Standingstrong said:

macman said:

Seems fairly clear that what the OP's friend wants to do first is offer to pay the arrears on the basis that the G10 and 11 is not proceeded with. In which case she needs to extract that in writing before she pays up.
That might not be very ethical, but from her own point of view it's probably the best course of action.
Whether it simply stiffens the LL's resolve to end the tenancy anyway is not something anyone can know.

That’s correct she wants it in writing that when she pays the Arrears all the s8 gets stopped as it’s fair. 

The LL gets what they’re owed and the T don’t get no action against them as she would’ve paid it tomorrow. 

And there’s obviously no point of the LL going to court over g11,17 as she would’ve paid the arrears and paid the rent normal then 

Um firstly, I did read the thread.  Secondly, there's no need to shout. 

Perhaps in your little fantasy world of making up stories, you forgot that you wrote the above.

Refusing to pay rent until the landlord gives up his legal rights is blackmail.  Plain and simple.

Standingstrong

I’ll post what the LA SAID TO HER TODAY. As people are believing there own words and not getting what I’m trying say 

Morning ***,

 

Thanks for your email.

 

I have Cc’d in ************ who is overseeing the Section 8 notice and arrears. She is off on annual leave today; however she will be back into the office tomorrow and will make contact with you to pay arrears off and to discuss further options

 

Thanks,

I’m not overseeing any of this so I’m unsure. ************** deals with all Section 8 notices here at **** *********. She will be able to advise further tomorrow when she’s back.

I can’t see any notes on the system other than to pay rent arrears and talk to ***** I’ve made a note in ***** diary to call you tomorrow to sort.