help needed to decide next steps please!

Not_A_Hope

Found this this sign using Google from about 5 years ago. Does it look like your Pavilion shopping centre?



I cannot see any mention of not parking in the drop off area on this sign. Did you actually park in a bay?

Note the parking charge on this sign is £90 reduced to £45 for payment within 14 days. Also an additional £60 when passed to debt collectors.  If it is the car park you may wish to check what they originally invoiced you for and what is on the particulars of claim. 

Not_A_Hope

Apologies for poor quality of that photo. The tech has failed me. Have a look at the signs in this search

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Pavillion+Shopping+Centre%2C+St+Peters+Square%2C+Thornaby+parking+fine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#lpg=cid:CgIgAQ%3D%3D,ik:CAoSLEFGMVFpcE44VU1CVXQ3eW1mTlRHTnRoWDlySl9ncHFCMjQtelVnS0MwOFJ3

Not_A_Hope

As well as the photo of a sign 5 years ago the Google Streetview is interesting. I can see the ‘drop off lay-by’ with the post office at the end. That is what you were doing weren’t you - dropping off at the post office. There is a also a sign for ‘KFC only waiting area’. More confusion. Either drivers can stop there or they can’t!

Coupon-mad

Add those 'drop off layby' photos as evidence with your witness statement when you get to that stage (later).

In your defence, call it a 'drop off layby'.  Thus:

4.  Therefore, it is the Defendant's position that stopping in the marked 'drop off layby' immediately outside the Post Office to drop off a parcel was perfectly correct.

Great find, @Not_A_Hope

This claim is doomed. Quelle surprise!

Carlingcup

Not_A_Hope said:

Found this this sign using Google from about 5 years ago. Does it look like your Pavilion shopping centre?



I cannot see any mention of not parking in the drop off area on this sign. Did you actually park in a bay?

Note the parking charge on this sign is £90 reduced to £45 for payment within 14 days. Also an additional £60 when passed to debt collectors.  If it is the car park you may wish to check what they originally invoiced you for and what is on the particulars of claim. 

This is the same sign I found from around the time I parked, I was in the drop-off point and not a bay. The original invoice I recall amounted to a total of £150 but I binned all of the paperwork they sent me.

Carlingcup

Not_A_Hope said:

As well as the photo of a sign 5 years ago the Google Streetview is interesting. I can see the ‘drop off lay-by’ with the post office at the end. That is what you were doing weren’t you - dropping off at the post office. There is a also a sign for ‘KFC only waiting area’. More confusion. Either drivers can stop there or they can’t!

Not_A_Hope said:

As well as the photo of a sign 5 years ago the Google Streetview is interesting. I can see the ‘drop off lay-by’ with the post office at the end. That is what you were doing weren’t you - dropping off at the post office. There is a also a sign for ‘KFC only waiting area’. More confusion. Either drivers can stop there or they can’t!

That is exactly where I parked and the post office is visible at the end of the photo.

Coupon-mad

But the Particulars of claim identify the sum claimed (£160 or £170 - on the left of the claim form) and your SAR will confirm the PCN amount.

It was never £150.

Carlingcup

Coupon-mad said:

Add those 'drop off layby' photos as evidence with your witness statement when you get to that stage (later).

In your defence, call it a 'drop off layby'.  Thus:

4.  Therefore, it is the Defendant's position that stopping in the marked 'drop off layby' immediately outside the Post Office to drop off a parcel was perfectly correct.

Great find, @Not_A_Hope

This claim is doomed. Quelle surprise!

I have updated para 4, you guys are amazing and I could never have done this without your support. Thanks also goes to @not_A_Hope for the photos 😊

Not_A_Hope

A SAR to UKPC should flush out all the paperwork they sent. Might have some useful info for your WS. 

If that sign is correct the original invoice should have been for £90. Once debt collectors are involved they would argue they can increase it by another £60. Most judges will not allow the fake add ons as it costs the PPC nothing.

Carlingcup

I am am just about to submit my defence PDF doc by email to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk and then continue working on my witness statement. A big shout out to all you guys for the help and support you have given me, especially @Not_A_Hope & @Coupon-mad 🙌