Wanting to replace 16 year old boiler

pensionpawn

The_Green_Hornet said:

markin said:

You save the money and if it doesn't break down you keep the 'profit'

Worcester Bosch boilers have a ten year guarantee if they are installed by an accredited installer so  Boxt aren't adding any value just an admin overhead.

Something to be aware of with Worcester boilers is their use in hard water areas. We chose a Viessmann as I didn't want the hassle. 

macman

Vma said:

Thanks for all the ideas. It is a condensing boiler. House is a 4 bed detached. The quote is for 3655. all installed with Hive active controls.

I'd be surprised if your local RGI was more than £2.5k then. Boiler and components £1k, install 2 days at £750 per day.

markin

Mstty said:

markin said:

All the replaced parts should last another 16 years, Its only when the parts are actually not available any more at 25+ years that it needs replacing, Unless the is a slow leak that ruins loads of parts making it worth replacement.

The only other reason to upgrade is a good jump in efficacy that will pay for itself, At only 16 its likely already in the 95% efficacy range.

I always thought a 10 year old boiler might lose 10% and so on.

I haven't looked into it but always thought there would be a drop off higher than that.

If its correctly serviced by opening up and cleaning the burn chamber and actually set to a flow temp that condensers it should be as good as the day it was installed, i would hope.

macman

The problem with any of the 'nationals' is that most of them will be using subbies for the install. They tend to recruit these from areas where labour is the cheapest. These guys have to potentially travel long distances and do an install in a single day to make a reasonable income. They may be good, they may not be, but you have no way of checking their record. If there is an issue post-install, they'll be long gone, and you'll be dependent on the manufacturer warranty to sort it out. 
No idea if this is true, but googling it reports that Boxt pay around £400 per day, which is half the hourly rate most RGI's would be charging.
The only attraction is the interest free credit.

FreeBear

macman said:

Vma said:

Thanks for all the ideas. It is a condensing boiler. House is a 4 bed detached. The quote is for 3655. all installed with Hive active controls.

I'd be surprised if your local RGI was more than £2.5k then. Boiler and components £1k, install 2 days at £750 per day.

Been looking at a new boiler myself and pricing up the job. Yes, you can get cheap boilers for less than £1K, but they all appear to come with short warranties. Get a boiler with a 10+ year warranty, and the price goes up. Once you've added in the cost of extras (flue, magnaclean, smart(er) controls, etc), you are getting close to £2K.

macman

What brands are you looking at? A BG own-brand isn't going to be top of the range, so the OP's quoie seems excessive, unless it involves other work to the tank, plumbing etc.

BUFF

The_Green_Hornet said:

BUFF said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

I did an online quote at Boxt and it came out £500 more expensive than my local installer for the same boiler specification but then they are an added layer to the installation process so it is to be expected I suppose.

They certainly aren't owned by Worcester Bosch.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08086606

Robert Bosch (WB's parent co.) do have a substantial investment in Boxt.

Op if you are fitting a WB boiler as long as they offer the features that you want you are better off fitting WB controls rather than Hive.
 1) you will get a longer warranty (as long as the boiler - potentially up to 12 years)
 2) they will be more efficient . Hive won't be able to modulate the boiler as well as the WB controls - WB use a proprietary communications protocol.

If you look at the link I provided you will see that Robert Bosch UK holdings ceased having a significant control on 15 December 2021.

In their most up-to-date accounts (also in the link) UK Heating Limited, a newly incorporated Jersey company established by Brookfield Asset Management, have acquired a majority stake. BOXT is now a subsidiary of UK Heating Limited.

According to the confirmation statement Robert Bosch still had a sizable no. of shares as at 10/11/22.

UK Heating Limited appears to have it's registered office in Leicestershire.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10120182
I guess that you mean UK Heating (Jersey) Limited.

The_Green_Hornet

BUFF said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

BUFF said:

The_Green_Hornet said:

I did an online quote at Boxt and it came out £500 more expensive than my local installer for the same boiler specification but then they are an added layer to the installation process so it is to be expected I suppose.

They certainly aren't owned by Worcester Bosch.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08086606

Robert Bosch (WB's parent co.) do have a substantial investment in Boxt.

Op if you are fitting a WB boiler as long as they offer the features that you want you are better off fitting WB controls rather than Hive.
 1) you will get a longer warranty (as long as the boiler - potentially up to 12 years)
 2) they will be more efficient . Hive won't be able to modulate the boiler as well as the WB controls - WB use a proprietary communications protocol.

If you look at the link I provided you will see that Robert Bosch UK holdings ceased having a significant control on 15 December 2021.

In their most up-to-date accounts (also in the link) UK Heating Limited, a newly incorporated Jersey company established by Brookfield Asset Management, have acquired a majority stake. BOXT is now a subsidiary of UK Heating Limited.

According to the confirmation statement Robert Bosch still had a sizable no. of shares as at 10/11/22.

UK Heating Limited appears to have it's registered office in Leicestershire.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10120182
I guess that you mean UK Heating (Jersey) Limited.

You guess right as I said UK Heating Ltd, a newly incorporated Jersey company. .

Why not read the information from the link provided. Saves any misinterpretation on your part.

FreeBear

macman said:

What brands are you looking at? A BG own-brand isn't going to be top of the range, so the OP's quoie seems excessive, unless it involves other work to the tank, plumbing etc.

I've been looking at WB, Viessmann, Ideal, Intergas, and a couple of others. My main criteria is OpenTherm compatibility and a long warranty (10-12 year).

otb666

we has a wb fitted by bg a year ago, 100pm for 2 years We have had no problems and live in hard water area